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  1. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Mar '13 05:41
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
  2. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    14 Mar '13 05:46
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
    I just want to know if there's such a thing as a hat in the Vatican that is considered too funny to wear.
  3. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    14 Mar '13 06:04
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
    Is there no institution safe from Jesuit infiltration?
  4. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    14 Mar '13 15:19
    A follow-up to my post above. Enjoy!

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/03/papal_conclave_why_do_cardinals_wear_funny_hats.html
  5. 14 Mar '13 19:01
    Things are looking up for you guys. In his first address the new Pope never once mentioned the name of Jesus Christ.

    So when to the pediphile preists get to marry the children?
  6. 14 Mar '13 19:08
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
    Given the tragic fate of the 'Jesuit republic' in Paraguay, there would have
    been more historical irony if the first Pope who's a Jesuit came from Paraguay.
    This story was dramatized in the 1986 film 'The Mission'.
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Mar '13 19:10
    Originally posted by whodey
    Things are looking up for you guys. In his first address the new Pope never once mentioned the name of Jesus Christ.

    So when to the pediphile preists get to marry the children?
    Go burn a cross you fake Christian
  8. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    14 Mar '13 19:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
    Wikipedia had this to say about his positions on poverty and inequality:

    At a meeting of Latin American bishops in 2007 Bergoglio said "[w]e live in the most unequal part of the world, which has grown the most yet reduced misery the least" and that "[t]he unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers". On 30 September 2009, Bergoglio spoke at a conference organized by the Argentina City Postgraduate School (EPOCA) at the Alvear Palace Hotel titled "Las deudas sociales de nuestro tiempo" ("The Social Debts of Our Time" ) in which he quoted the 1992 "Documento de Santo Domingo" by the Latin American Episcopal Conference, saying "extreme poverty and unjust economic structures that cause great inequalities" are violations of human rights. He went on to describe social debt as "immoral, unjust and illegitimate."

    During a 48-hour public servant strike in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Bergoglio observed the differences between "poor people who are persecuted for demanding work, and rich people who are applauded for fleeing from justice". During a May 2010 speech in Argentina regarding the poor, he directed his message to the wealthy by saying: "You avoid taking into account the poor. We have no right to duck down, to lower the arms carried by those in despair. We must reclaim the memory of our country who has a mother, recover the memory of our Mother".

    In 2011, Bergoglio decried sweatshops and homelessness in Buenos Aires as forms of slavery, saying "In this city, slavery is the order of the day in various forms, in this city workers are exploited in sweatshops and, if immigrants, are deprived of the opportunity to get out. In this city, there are kids on the streets for years." He added, "The city failed and continues to fail in the attempt deliver them from this bondage that is structural homelessness."


    We'll see if he keeps singing the same tune now that he's the big kahuna.
  9. 14 Mar '13 20:56 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Go burn a cross you fake Christian
    Now that the world has turned liberal there is no more reason to play coy.

    Let the gay preists marry the catholic boys and stop all this nonsense talking about God.

    Whoever aborts the most babies in a year becomes the next patron saint for sending the most souls to heaven!!!
  10. 14 Mar '13 23:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    Now that the world has turned liberal there is no more reason to play coy.

    Let the gay preists marry the catholic boys and stop all this nonsense talking about God.

    Whoever aborts the most babies in a year becomes the next patron saint for sending the most souls to heaven!!!
    Why are so many non Catholics even invested in who a new pope is, or his ideological bent?
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    15 Mar '13 00:15
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who'd a thunk it?

    Well, looks like the oldest and largest multi-national on Earth is gonna make a swing to the rational... I.e. left.

    Not only am I amazed they chose him (granted, not the most liberal Jesuit, but South American and pro-trade union at the least), but I'm glad they picked someone who wasn't to the right of sanity again.
    Probably a combination of a compromise candidate and a fig leaf to the "Third World" ; at 76 he's unlikely to have a very long rein and then they can elect a nice, conservative Euro.
  12. 15 Mar '13 00:21
    Originally posted by no1marauder to shavixmir
    Probably a combination of a compromise candidate and a fig leaf to the "Third World" ;
    at 76 he's unlikely to have a very long rein and then they can elect a nice, conservative Euro.
    I suspect that most people (particularly in the middle-to-upper classes) in
    Argentina would identify more closely with Europe than with the Third World.
    I would submit that Argentina's the most Eurocentric society in South America.
  13. 15 Mar '13 00:51
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Why are so many non Catholics even invested in who a new pope is, or his ideological bent?
    He claims to represent God on earth. That usually raises a few eye brows, especially when you have a mass following.
  14. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    15 Mar '13 05:02
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Why are so many non Catholics even invested in who a new pope is, or his ideological bent?
    It's a multi-national which has existed for 1700 years.
    It's an organisation with 1.2 billion members.
    It's global.
    Every single country is influenced by it.

    The question should be: how the hell can you not be interested in it??
  15. 15 Mar '13 06:06
    What I find difficult to understand is that in Christianity , faith is the defining criteria for being a proper christian, it is the object of the religion. I do not believe that an intelligent person and you have to be to get to be Pope ,can be without doubt ,unless your mad, everyone questions.
    For Jesuits, faith plays a big part of their religious creed. Are you allowed not to believe every now and then and for how long.