@phranny saidOkay, but there is no evidence of that. You need to prove that he did those things.
The indictment charges Trump with being part of three conspiracies: one to defraud the United States by “using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit” to stop the lawful government function of determining the results of a presidential election, a second conspiracy to obstruct the lawful January 6 congressional proceeding to count and certify the results of the presidential election, a ...[text shortened]... u conspire to murder, to rob a bank, etc. you have commited a crime. This is not about free speech.
@metal-brain saidThat is exactly what the DOJ will do. A jury will decide if the evidence is such that Trump should serve time in jail. He is innocent until proven guilty.
Okay, but there is no evidence of that. You need to prove that he did those things.
@averagejoe1 saidYou are confused because you are reading and listening to people whose goal is to misinform you. Please read the actual indictment, not some right wing conspiracy theorists. Neither the prosecutors nor many citizens find this confusing. It's very clear.
Why is no one agreeing on such a simple fact. What is he being charged with period. Are the prosecutors as confused as we are? 🤔
@phranny saidThere is no evidence of that. He will be acquitted easily because it is a free speech issue that is protected under the constitution. What you claim were "actions" were actually speech. That is why you are wrong and the case against him is ridiculously weak.
That is exactly what the DOJ will do. A jury will decide if the evidence is such that Trump should serve time in jail. He is innocent until proven guilty.
@metal-brain saidWhat's that? Legal analysis from Jimmy Dore?
There is no evidence of that. He will be acquitted easily because it is a free speech issue that is protected under the constitution. What you claim were "actions" were actually speech. That is why you are wrong and the case against him is ridiculously weak.
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@phranny saidMy point is that it does not seem very clear to forum participants. Seems no one agrees here, but that is what makes the world go 'round. Plain english does not seem enough, unless the charges are meant to confuse.
You are confused because you are reading and listening to people whose goal is to misinform you. Please read the actual indictment, not some right wing conspiracy theorists. Neither the prosecutors nor many citizens find this confusing. It's very clear.
Anyway, has anyone here detailed the exact threat that has been bandied about? What was the threat to the Georgia Sec of State?
If I tell my bro to get up all the baseballs or he will somehow be at risk , is that a threat?
@averagejoe1 saidThe threat was to the core of the Constitution. Telling Georgia Sec. of State to just find him over a thousand votes or maybe he will go to jail. How about you read the indictments yourself instead of following some conservative talking head.
My point is that it does not seem very clear to forum participants. Seems no one agrees here, but that is what makes the world go 'round. Plain english does not seem enough, unless the charges are meant to confuse.
Anyway, has anyone here detailed the exact threat that has been bandied about? What was the threat to the Georgia Sec of State?
If I tell my bro to get up all the baseballs or he will somehow be at risk , is that a threat?
@metal-brain saidNow quote what it says about what he IS being charged for, pinhead.
"The 45-page indictment acknowledges Trump’s right to speak about the election and even to lie that he had won"
So he did nothing wrong. You said Trump was using “using dishonesty and deceit”which he has a right to do. Not sure where you are getting the fraud from. What fraud?
What he's NOT being charged for is not this conversation, idiot.
@averagejoe1 saidIt's not about baseballs, either.
My point is that it does not seem very clear to forum participants. Seems no one agrees here, but that is what makes the world go 'round. Plain english does not seem enough, unless the charges are meant to confuse.
Anyway, has anyone here detailed the exact threat that has been bandied about? What was the threat to the Georgia Sec of State?
If I tell my bro to get up all the baseballs or he will somehow be at risk , is that a threat?
Are you people willfully ignorant?
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@metal-brain saidIt is NOT a 'free speech' issue.
There is no evidence of that. He will be acquitted easily because it is a free speech issue that is protected under the constitution. What you claim were "actions" were actually speech. That is why you are wrong and the case against him is ridiculously weak.
It IS a criminal conspiracy to circumvent an election.
Read the charges yourself.
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-Trump-Fulton-County-GA.pdf
These are crimes. None of them are claiming that Trump does not have free speech.
@metal-brain saidYou are moronic beyond belief.
There is no evidence of that. He will be acquitted easily because it is a free speech issue that is protected under the constitution. What you claim were "actions" were actually speech. That is why you are wrong and the case against him is ridiculously weak.
@no1marauder saidNo, from me.
What's that? Legal analysis from Jimmy Dore?
Everybody on here is making up charges willy nilly. All they have is trump said this or that........but it was his actions. He has the right to lie but he lied about this and that.
He is guilty of fraud even though nobody can prove it.
This is the same meaningless crap on a different day. You are all orgasmic wishful thinkers. You can call his words actions all day. That does not make it so. It is a pathetic attack on free speech. Are you done calling speech actions yet?
@suzianne saidThe charges are meaningless if they do not apply.
It is NOT a 'free speech' issue.
It IS a criminal conspiracy to circumvent an election.
Read the charges yourself.
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-Trump-Fulton-County-GA.pdf
These are crimes. None of them are claiming that Trump does not have free speech.
Just admit you have faith in the charges. You cannot prove any of them are valid.