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  1. 14 Aug '11 15:57
    On Wednesday Nevada Judge Donald Mosley fined the bankrupt Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) $5,000 for an improper voter compensation case and said in his ruling the organization made “a mockery of our election system.”
    Judge Mosley imposed the stiffest punishment possible and compared ACORN’s record of fraud and misconduct to those of dictatorships. He also said if a person had been before him instead of a corporation, he would have given the individual 10-years in prison and “… wouldn’t have thought twice about it”


    ACORN is in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings. The organization filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy in November 2010 and listed assets of less than $4,000 and reported liabilities of more than $4 million

    The 40-year-old group which once counted President Barack Obama among its ranks in Chicago, came under fire in recent years for its voter registration tactics.

    Congress effectively killed off the group when it slashed the organization's federal funding after a hidden-camera sting by conservative operatives showing ACORN workers giving advice on illegal activities.

    Is there anymore doubt in the minds of the RHP community about the corruption of this now defunct organization ( BTW they will undoubtedly surface again under a new name for the 2012 Obama Presidential re-election attempt.)
  2. 14 Aug '11 18:09
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [quote]On Wednesday Nevada Judge Donald Mosley fined the bankrupt Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) $5,000 for an improper voter compensation case and said in his ruling the organization made[b] “a mockery of our election system.”
    Judge Mosley imposed the stiffest punishment possible and compared ACORN’s record of fra ...[text shortened]... doubtedly surface again under a new name for the 2012 Obama Presidential re-election attempt.)[/b]
    I thought they did more good than harm, but if you can't play clean then you have to suffer the consequences.
  3. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    14 Aug '11 21:06
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    they will undoubtedly surface again under a new name for the 2012 Obama Presidential re-election attempt.
    Can anyone explain to me the fascination conservatives have with "predicting" future conspiracy theories?
  4. 14 Aug '11 21:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon

    Is there anymore doubt in the minds of the RHP community about the corruption of this now defunct organization
    Yes.
  5. 14 Aug '11 21:32
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Can anyone explain to me the fascination conservatives have with "predicting" future conspiracy theories?
    I hear you Mr. Wonka. I wish they could more intellectual and less paranoid than their liberal counterparts.

    Like this,

    Sept. 27, 2009

    Former President Bill Clinton says the right-wing conspiracy that attacked him during his presidency now is after President Obama.

    When asked whether the "vast right-wing conspiracy" is still present today, the former president answered without hesitation, "Oh you bet."

    "It's not as strong as it was because America has changed demographically, but it's as virulent as it was," Clinton said today on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    "Right-wing conspiracy" was the term used by former first lady Hillary Clinton to describe the tactics her husband's political enemies used to attack his presidency after revelations of his affair with Monica Lewinski.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bill-clinton-wing-conspiracy-targeting-president-obama/story?id=8687140
  6. 14 Aug '11 23:09
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I hear you Mr. Wonka. I wish they could more intellectual and less paranoid than their liberal counterparts.

    Like this,

    Sept. 27, 2009

    Former President [b]Bill Clinton
    says the right-wing conspiracy that attacked him during his presidency now is after President Obama.

    When asked whether the "vast right-wing conspiracy" ...[text shortened]... cs/bill-clinton-wing-conspiracy-targeting-president-obama/story?id=8687140
    A quick look at the content of the rhetoric spewed out by Fox News pundits and popular right-wing commentators would serve to vindicate many of the claims about right-wing conspiracies.

    Time and time again conservatives have mobilized to defame, belittle, and disparage Obama and his presidency, perhaps more so recently than ever before, with some people proudly announcing their goal to be that of making him a "one term president".

    There have been ugly whispering campaigns about his religion, race, birth place, associates, etc, and now many are willing to bend over backwards to exonerate the GOP of the blame for the dire financial state of America while pinning it all on Obama. Yes, I'd say these right-wing conspiracies are quite believable.
  7. 14 Aug '11 23:12
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    A quick look at the content of the rhetoric spewed out by Fox News pundits and popular right-wing commentators would serve to vindicate many of the claims about right-wing conspiracies.

    Time and time again conservatives have mobilized to defame, belittle, and disparage Obama and his presidency, perhaps more so recently than ever before, with some pe ...[text shortened]... ile pinning it all on Obama. Yes, I'd say these right-wing conspiracies are quite believable.
    How about staying on topic and addressing the OP, junior.
  8. 14 Aug '11 23:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    How about staying on topic and addressing the OP, junior.
    Sure, feel free to ignore the conspicuous reality of the right-wing conspiracies you dismiss while bellowing about left-wing conspiracies, which you have construed from relatively minor incidents of fraud or dishonesty.

    I do have doubts about your statements on ACORN.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 Aug '11 23:51
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [quote]On Wednesday Nevada Judge Donald Mosley fined the bankrupt Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) $5,000 for an improper voter compensation case and said in his ruling the organization made[b] “a mockery of our election system.”
    Judge Mosley imposed the stiffest punishment possible and compared ACORN’s record of fra ...[text shortened]... doubtedly surface again under a new name for the 2012 Obama Presidential re-election attempt.)[/b]
    In 1990, District Judge Donald Mosley provided $10,000 of his campaign money to his then-girlfriend. Mosley called the transaction a “brief loan,” but the woman who received the money told the Los Angeles Times in 2006 it was a gift. Mosley said the money was restored to his campaign fund, but the woman said she did not repay it, the Times reported.

    In a 1999 deposition, the Times reported, Mosley said he didn’t know whether it was a direct violation to borrow campaign funds and then return the money plus interest.

    “I’m not too concerned about that as an infraction of ethics,” Mosley testified.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/feb/02/boggs-judge-had-own-campaign-cash-issue/


    POT: Kettle, you're black!
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    15 Aug '11 00:06 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [quote]On Wednesday Nevada Judge Donald Mosley fined the bankrupt Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) $5,000 for an improper voter compensation case and said in his ruling the organization made[b] “a mockery of our election system.”
    Judge Mosley imposed the stiffest punishment possible and compared ACORN’s record of fra doubtedly surface again under a new name for the 2012 Obama Presidential re-election attempt.)[/b]
    ACORN pled guilty in April to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters for its role in a program during the 2008 election cycle that provided cash to workers based on the number of voters they registered.

    The incentive program — dubbed Blackjack or 21-Plus — gave workers an extra $5 each shift they gathered 21 or more filled out voter registration cards. Prosecutors said ACORN authorized a Las Vegas field worker to run the illegal compensation program.

    Under Nevada law it is “unlawful for a person to provide compensation for registering voters that is based upon the total number of voters a person registers.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61044.html


    OK, it's a violation of Nevada election law and deserves punishment. But handing out an extra $5 to low paid workers if they get over 21 voters registered is hardly making "a mockery of our election system" or something deserving of 10 years in prison.

    Now taking $10K out of campaign donations and giving it to your girlfriend ............................
  11. 15 Aug '11 00:25
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    Sure, feel free to ignore the conspicuous reality of the right-wing conspiracies you dismiss while bellowing about left-wing conspiracies, which you have construed from relatively minor incidents of fraud or dishonesty.

    I do have doubts about your statements on ACORN.
    Acorn is an acknowledged and proved criminal organization. It isn't a tin foil hat "conspiracy theory".

    I would point out that the goal of the opposition party is always to regain power at the next election, and there isn't any secret about that. It is an openly acknowledged plan.
  12. 15 Aug '11 02:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Acorn is an acknowledged and proved criminal organization. It isn't a tin foil hat "conspiracy theory".

    I would point out that the goal of the opposition party is always to regain power at the next election, and there isn't any secret about that. It is an openly acknowledged plan.
    Wrong, they were vindicated time and time again of wrong doing alleged by James O'Keefe.

    For starters, they did NOT walk into any facility dressed as they displayed in the videos. Note that none of the footage showing them dressed as a pimp and prostitute inside any of the ACORN facilities.

    Also, many of the employees pretending to go along with their request immediately notified authorities. Some of what they edited out were the more pressing questions ACORN employees began asking, and when the unedited tape was demanded by the courts it became obvious the pressing questions were to gather information, which coincided with them notifying authorities.
  13. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    15 Aug '11 05:21 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I hear you Mr. Wonka. I wish they could more intellectual and less paranoid than their liberal counterparts.
    That's not a conspiracy theory. How many people would you like me to quote directly who have stated that their singular purpose in politics is to make Obama a one-term president? That's a political reality Obama's had to deal with since taking office.

    Moreover, it certainly isn't a conspiracy theory about an event that hasn't even happened yet.

    Examples:

    whodey, hours before the 2010 mid-term elections:

    Make no mistake, if Dirty Harry prevails it will be because of fraud. -- Thread 135377


    TheBloop, earlier this year (and by definition before the upcoming presidential election):

    On the electoral map, there are a number of "red" (i.e. traditionally republican) states that went for Obama in 2008 that he will not win this time around (without massive voter fraud, but hey, he IS from Chicago). -- Thread 139798


    Get over yourselves already.