1. The American people overwhelmingly disapprove of tying the ACA to the budget votes, as pushed by the Tea Party radicals.
2. The Tea Party ideologues put down their gun -- open the government and avoid a US default -- then negotiate.
3. If not, go to US default. Massive pain in medium term for America but long term gain for America.
4. Indeed, America refuses to negotiate while Tea Party gun to America's head, and refusal rightly so, and go through the misery of a US default, but good precedent is set of not tying concessions to procedural budget votes.
5. Further, the GOP truly ceases to be a national party. The Democrats will have the Presidency and both houses for decades to come. The Tea Party devastation of the GOP.
Originally posted by moon1969"The Democrats will have the Presidency and both houses for decades to come. The Tea Party devastation of the GOP."
1. The American people overwhelmingly disapprove of tying the ACA to the budget votes.
2. The Tea Party puts down their gun -- open the government and avoid a US default -- then negotiate.
3. If not, go to US default. Massive pain in medium term but long term gain.
4. Indeed, refuse to negotiate while Tea Party gun to America's head, and refu ...[text shortened]... have the Presidency and both houses for decades to come. The Tea Party devastation of the GOP.
Presumptive to assume that our present form of constitutional government will still be around "for decades to come". (imo)
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyInteresting comment. Yet, I think it a good assumption that our form of constitutional government which has been around for 225 years, will be around a few decades more.
"The Democrats will have the Presidency and both houses for decades to come. The Tea Party devastation of the GOP."
Presumptive to assume that our present form of constitutional government will still be around "for decades to come". (imo)
If the Tea Party put down their gun from America's head, open the government and avoid the US default, we could negotiate. The Senate has been trying to get the House to negotiate for 6 months. A good starting point in the negotiations would be to address massive nonsensical spending cuts caused by the sequestration.
Another big point to negotiate is the massive deficit/debt reduction plan agreed to by the President and Boehner giving 75% budget cuts (primarily entitlements) and 25% revenue increases. The plan rejected by the Tea Party, and also will require some arm-twisting of Democrats on the left.
The plan -- A 3 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases. For every $4 reduction, $3 comes from spending cuts (primarily entitlements) and $1 from revenue increases. Again, rejected by the Tea Party but agreed to by the President and Boehner. Let's start there in the negotiations.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI agree. The Tea Party through ignoring and altering the Constitution has put our country in the most jeopardy.
The more we ignore and alter it, the less the likelihood of your scenario holding true.
For example, Boehner demands as ransom what he can't get through the legislative democratic process. No way Boehner could ever get a majority in both houses of Congress and a signature of the President to defund the ACA, for instance. Instead, Boehner takes America hostage and threatens a US default.
This has never been done before in our 225 years. As an example, take our last Speaker, Pelosi could never have got a massive income tax increase on the rich (say 70% rate -- a return to pre-Reagan rates) through the legislative democratic process. Indeed, she never could have got a majority in both houses of Congress, nor a signature of President Bush.
If Pelosi as Speaker had demanded such a massive increase in income taxes on the rich as ransom for letting a debt ceiling vote go to the floor, (a tax increase she could never have got through the legislative democratic process), I promise you Bush would not have paid her ransom. Bush would not have negotiated such a tax increase with Pelosi under threat of US default.