Well, to be honest, most people in Europe don’t drive cars made in the US.
Ford makes their cars internationally, for example.
But now the US has turned its back on the climate, allowing US manufacturers to build cheaper, but more polluting cars, will they?
These companies already invested in less pollution, and turning that back will mean US made cars won’t get sold abroad.
I would presume making two streams of the same car would be financially a no-no.
An interesting side fact to this discussion is that I was speaking with this Mercedes guy down near Stuttgart a few years back and he was telling me they actually developed diesel cars which, over the life span of the car, are better for the environment than electric cars. But that regulations don’t allow its production; they have to invest in electric.
So, what do you all reckon? Will the US car industry dial back the road they’ve driven on to, or will they stay on track with the rest of the world?
Or is there a chance the rest of the world will U-turn and start producing petrol slurping beasts as well?
@shavixmir saidWill the US car industry dial back the road they’ve driven on to, or will they stay on track with the rest of the world?
Well, to be honest, most people in Europe don’t drive cars made in the US.
Ford makes their cars internationally, for example.
But now the US has turned its back on the climate, allowing US manufacturers to build cheaper, but more polluting cars, will they?
These companies already invested in less pollution, and turning that back will mean US made cars won’t get sold ...[text shortened]... there a chance the rest of the world will U-turn and start producing petrol slurping beasts as well?
That will depend heavily on who occupies the Whitehouse. If the MAGA crowd has their way, we'll all be driving model T's - with crank starters.
@mchill saidYou people are jokers. You have no understanding of the lifestyle of some of these countries. In small densely populated areas, its fine to go electric and save the planet. Europe is one of those areas, but in most parts of the world it aint happening. The typical American cannot and will not do that foolishness. It makes no difference who is in the whitehouse. The US has more than twice the land area and less than half of the population of Europe. Americans travel long distances. They want big vehicles, preferably diesel, that can go long distances. All people from big countries are that way. Australians love their big 4WD SUVs and offroad vehicles to go into rough country. Same with African countries .. rough country needs big deisel rigs. The world will never stop using these workhorse vehicles and go with electric. It aint happening, neither does it ever need to. Wake up and travel a bit.
Will the US car industry dial back the road they’ve driven on to, or will they stay on track with the rest of the world?
That will depend heavily on who occupies the Whitehouse. If the MAGA crowd has their way, we'll all be driving model T's - with crank starters.
@shavixmir saidIf America goes back to making 1967 Corvette Stingrays, I'm in ! Man, that car was bitchin'!
Well, to be honest, most people in Europe don’t drive cars made in the US.
Ford makes their cars internationally, for example.
But now the US has turned its back on the climate, allowing US manufacturers to build cheaper, but more polluting cars, will they?
These companies already invested in less pollution, and turning that back will mean US made cars won’t get sold ...[text shortened]... there a chance the rest of the world will U-turn and start producing petrol slurping beasts as well?
PS they should fix the brakes though.
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@fornichessate saidAgreed, they are.
Electric cars is for the city life and preferably a city that doesn't experience very cold weather.
North America is spread out more than people know. Especially people who don't live here.
Not only that, but we are on the cusp of a potential world war three and combustion engines are easier to fix and keep going.
Electric vehicles are a nightmare.
Apart from the 'how green really are they?' thing, I've never really fancied the idea of travelling at speed sat on 500kg or more lithium ion battery...
@fornichessate saidYeah, and whatever you save in gas, you had better put it in the piggy bank because you will need it when the battery needs replacing, which is like half the price of the car. That technology aint ready yet.
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I've seen videos of the battery fires.
Very dangerous.
@AlanTal saidAnd now for the facts:
Agreed, they are.
Apart from the 'how green really are they?' thing, I've never really fancied the idea of travelling at speed sat on 500kg or more lithium ion battery...
https://interestingengineering.com/transportation/do-electric-vehicles-really-catch-fire-more
In the United States, vehicle fire statistics overwhelmingly point to internal combustion engine vehicles as the dominant source of risk. Data compiled by U.S. transportation safety agencies and cited by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) shows that ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicle fires occur at a rate of roughly one every 2 to 3 minutes nationwide.
That translates to hundreds of thousands of fires annually, the vast majority involving gasoline or diesel vehicles.
Analyses drawing on U.S. sales data and fire incident reports show approximately 25 fires per 100,000 electric vehicles sold, compared with about 1,500 fires per 100,000 gasoline-powered vehicles.
European data reinforces the same conclusion. Sweden’s Civil Contingencies Agency reported that in 2022, just 23 fires occurred among roughly 611,000 electric vehicles, a fire incidence of 0.004 percent.
During the same period, 3,400 fires occurred among approximately 4.4 million gasoline and diesel vehicles, corresponding to 0.08 percent. In other words, combustion vehicles were about 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs in one of the world’s most electrified car markets.
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BYD, the best-selling EV brand in the world (Tesla is in decline most everywhere), would be more than willing to sell electric cars in the US market for thousands of dollars less than any of the currently available choices, but US politicians won't allow it.
I've not yet gotten an EV myself, because yeah, I think the infrastructure and battery technology are still not there, especially in the US where collective action to make chargers more widely available seems to be impossible. So, I continue to drive a manual transmission 2010 Mazdaspeed 3.
@Soothfast saidIm all for protecting critical local industries and their technology, although in this case China will surely beat the living daylights out of everyone else in the end.
@Rajk999
BYD, the best-selling EV brand in the world (Tesla is in decline most everywhere), would be more than willing to sell electric cars in the US market for thousands of dollars less than any of the currently available choices, but US politicians won't allow it.
I've not yet gotten an EV myself, because yeah, I think the infrastructure and battery technology are ...[text shortened]... y available seems to be impossible. So, I continue to drive a manual transmission 2010 Mazdaspeed 3.
Electric vehicles appeal to a certain mindset. I aint one. Like you I have an old vehicle as well .. 2001 manual Nissan Frontier pickup.. good stuff. Its backward enough not to have the critical computer control board, and I can mess around with the engine. I also have a recent Toyota Fielder for general use. Maybe in another 20 years these electrics will get their battery sorted out. In any case there will always be people who prefer the old diesel or gas combustion engine.
The nice thing about where I live is that it is unlikely that electric vehicles [or zero emission] will be compulsory and forced on the population. This can easily happen in Europe who I think have a target of 2035.
@mchill saidCan you whistle this down, make an interesting post…..what would be the ideal motoring, driving, situation??
Will the US car industry dial back the road they’ve driven on to, or will they stay on track with the rest of the world?
That will depend heavily on who occupies the Whitehouse. If the MAGA crowd has their way, we'll all be driving model T's - with crank starters.
Why do democrats require showing photo ID to vote AGAINST photo ID?!?!?
@AverageJoe1 saidQ: what would be the ideal motoring, driving, situation??
Can you whistle this down, make an interesting post…..what would be the ideal motoring, driving, situation??
Why do democrats require showing photo ID to vote AGAINST photo ID?!?!?
A: High speed rail. European trains average 200MPH. America - 48MPH
Q: Why do democrats require showing photo ID to vote AGAINST photo ID?!?!?
A: Because it causes Joe to use punction such as:?!?!?
Joe, your question makes no sense whatsoever.
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@shavixmir saidChina is going to win this race. They have already been trying to reduce their own air pollution in their big cities, and have planted millions of trees around one of their deserts to contain it and act as CO2 absorbers.
Well, to be honest, most people in Europe don’t drive cars made in the US.
Ford makes their cars internationally, for example.
But now the US has turned its back on the climate, allowing US manufacturers to build cheaper, but more polluting cars, will they?
These companies already invested in less pollution, and turning that back will mean US made cars won’t get sold ...[text shortened]... there a chance the rest of the world will U-turn and start producing petrol slurping beasts as well?
The Russian "Federation" has nothing to offer the world other than natural resources, threats, and destruction. It's a cancerous patch on our planet, and I feel sorry for anyone who lives within it, but not as much as for anyone who lives in North Korea. Russia's greatest export was the fiction of dissidents.
However, in 2027 a single injection of a gene-mod will allow residents of "polluted" urban environments to subsist at least partially on what they breathe in.
It's all about systems thinking, isn't it?
@mchill saidQ: Why do democrats require showing photo ID to vote AGAINST photo ID?!?!?
Q: what would be the ideal motoring, driving, situation??
A: High speed rail. European trains average 200MPH. America - 48MPH
Q: Why do democrats require showing photo ID to vote AGAINST photo ID?!?!?
A: Because it causes Joe to use punction such as:?!?!?
Joe, your question makes no sense whatsoever.
You miss the irony here, don't you? I thought you liked to appear smart?