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  1. Zugzwang
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    26 Jan '17 21:15
    Originally posted by Eladar
    We have some pretty progressive people around here. Now be honest, what would your view be for these two people....

    Person A. Female who takes the kids and leaves her husband.
    Person B. Male who leaves his wife and children.

    Do you have the same feelings about both?
    I don't judge other people's personal lives when I have insufficient information.
    I would point out, however, that in case A the woman chooses to be with her children
    while in case B the man chooses to be away from his children.
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    26 Jan '17 21:24
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I don't judge other people's personal lives when I have insufficient information.
    I would point out, however, that in case A the woman chooses to be with her children
    while in case B the man chooses to be away from his children.
    Of course you could say that in case A the woman is selfish enough to take the children from the father, while in B the man is loving enough to leave the children with the mother.
  3. Zugzwang
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    26 Jan '17 21:28
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Of course you could say that in case A the woman is selfish enough to take the children from the father,
    while in B the man is loving enough to leave the children with the mother.
    "...in B the man is loving enough to leave the children with the mother."
    --Eladar

    So Eladar apparently admires a man for allowing a woman to do all the hard work,
    if not also paying all the expenses, of bringing up *their* children.
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    26 Jan '17 21:30
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "...in B the man is loving enough to leave the children with the mother."
    --Eladar

    So Eladar apparently admires a man for allowing a woman to do all the hard work,
    if not also paying all the expenses, of bringing up *their* children.
    All the hard work? You mean have a relationship.
  5. Zugzwang
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    26 Jan '17 21:341 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    All the hard work? You mean have a relationship.
    In Eladar's scenario, the woman ends up with the children, and the man's not there.
    So, obviously, she ends up doing all the hard work of bringing up their children.

    The sexist Eladar apparently likes to believe that when a man's relationship with a
    woman comes to an end, then he must have no further responsibility to their children.
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    26 Jan '17 23:00
    You are such a nut job.
  7. Subscriberno1marauder
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    26 Jan '17 23:39
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I said be honest, but if you can't that's ok too.
    Amazingly enough not everybody is a nosy, judgmental busybody, Gladys Kravitz, Jr.
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    27 Jan '17 01:04
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Amazingly enough not everybody is a nosy, judgmental busybody, Gladys Kravitz, Jr.
    So if you suspect child abuse and spousal abuse you don't notify the authorities?
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    27 Jan '17 04:40
    Originally posted by Eladar
    So if you suspect child abuse and spousal abuse you don't notify the authorities?
    Good job adding qualifiers that were not in the OP.
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    27 Jan '17 09:53
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Of course not.
    But absent further information, I could easily be wrong about what happened.

    In my case, we separated and I took the child.

    Of course this has almost nothing to do with having an equal society.
    And does your husband pay spousal support?:'(
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    27 Jan '17 09:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    We have some pretty progressive people around here. Now be honest, what would your view be for these two people....

    Person A. Female who takes the kids and leaves her husband.

    Person B. Male who leaves his wife and children.


    Do you have the same feelings about both?
    they are not equal.

    one takes the kids, one leaves the kids.

    try again.
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    27 Jan '17 11:11
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Good job adding qualifiers that were not in the OP.
    I didn't. He just said it was nome of his business. What if there were?
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    27 Jan '17 11:13
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    they are not equal.

    one takes the kids, one leaves the kids.

    try again.
    So if a parent takes the kids then it is automatically good?

    Or is it because the mom took the kids?
  14. Cape Town
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    27 Jan '17 11:28
    Originally posted by Eladar
    It seems to me that mothers believe they have the natural right to the children and the courts have backed that up. Having said that, from time to time guys are getting the kids now, but still women get the advantage.
    When we separated, I asked a lawyer, and he assured me that in Zambia there is no gender discrimination with regards to the children. In reality, we did not drag it through the courts.
    My observation in South Africa, is women are more likely to end up with the children, but that is not because of courts or rights but because men are less likely to want to keep them. Having said that, I do know of cases where the man has kept the children - but more often than not he has remarried. Single men with children are very rare. Single women with children are as common as couples with children.
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