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What a big fat win for the GOP (no pun).
The White House can spin this any way they like, but this has GOT to hurt.
Obama basically lived here for the last week stumping for Corzine. This is a reliably blue state and Corzine had the incumbency, unlimited $$ and the whole state machinery at his beck and call. And, he apparently got beaten pretty clearly.
NY-23 notwithstanding, this is a brutal night for the Dems.
Update: MSNBC joins in calling the race for Christie.
Update: Fox calls the race too. CNN refusing to call it as of yet.
Update: CNN calls it as well. It sure seems to be over now.
Originally posted by sh76I have heard that polls indicate that when Obama is out campaigning for someone or for something, his approval ratings go down. However, when he goes on vacation and keeps his trap shut, the opposite tends to happen. Have you heard this?
What a big fat win for the GOP (no pun).
The White House can spin this any way they like, but this has GOT to hurt.
Obama basically lived here for the last week stumping for Corzine. This is a reliably blue state and Corzine had the incumbency, unlimited $$ and the whole state machinery at his beck and call. And, he apparently got beaten pretty clearly.
...[text shortened]... ing the race for Christie.
Update: Fox calls the race too. CNN refusing to call it as of yet.
Originally posted by sh76Congratulations sh76. Now hold Christie to his promises. He's definitely got his work cut out for him.
What a big fat win for the GOP (no pun).
The White House can spin this any way they like, but this has GOT to hurt.
Obama basically lived here for the last week stumping for Corzine. This is a reliably blue state and Corzine had the incumbency, unlimited $$ and the whole state machinery at his beck and call. And, he apparently got beaten pretty clearly.
...[text shortened]... NN refusing to call it as of yet.
Update: CNN calls it as well. It sure seems to be over now.
It's too bad about Hoffman. That would have been the cherry on top. Either way though, NY-23 sent a message to the GOP that backing RINO candidates is very dangerous. The next battle on that front will be Crist vs. Rubio. It's going to be a very interesting 2010 election.
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Originally posted by FMFWell the poll numbers showed thta McCain was ahead of Obama right before the credit crisis hit the fan, so yea. Then under Obama the unemployment rate increased to 10% as well as Obama favoring policies that more than likely would be punitive to the economy in terms of tax increases and economic growth once in place.
In British politics, people vote 'against' incumbents during recessions, pretty much invariably. Is that not the case in U.S. politics?
On the one hand, the economic collapse put Obama where he is but, on the other hand, it will detour Obama, or at least should, from doing what he wants.
Ironic, eh?
Originally posted by whodeyEr... in British politics, people vote 'against' incumbents during recessions, pretty much invariably. Is that not the case in U.S. politics?
Well the poll numbers showed thta McCain was ahead of Obama right before the credit crisis hit the fan, so yea. Then under Obama the unemployment rate increased to 10% as well as Obama favoring policies that more than likely would be punitive to the economy in terms of tax increases and economic growth once in place. On the one hand, the economic collapse pu ...[text shortened]... the other hand, it will detour Obama, or at least should, from doing what he wants. Ironic, eh?
You apparently clicked "Reply & Quote" when you might have meant to click "Reply".
Originally posted by FMFI think that's characteristic of any two-party system. In multi-party systems things are not so clear-cut, because coalition parties might blame each other for economic woes. Also, parties might lose seats, but gain a spot in the ruling coalition.
In British politics, people vote 'against' incumbents during recessions, pretty much invariably. Is that not the case in U.S. politics?
Originally posted by SleepyguyNow hold Christie to his promises. He's definitely got his work cut out for him.
Congratulations sh76. Now hold Christie to his promises. He's definitely got his work cut out for him.
It's too bad about Hoffman. That would have been the cherry on top. Either way though, NY-23 sent a message to the GOP that backing RINO candidates is very dangerous. The next battle on that front will be Crist vs. Rubio. It's going to be a very interesting 2010 election.
The only person in this race that made any real promises is the guy who only got 6% of the vote. ðŸ˜
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Originally posted by whodeyWhodey, I've got to correct you here. The high unemployment rate has next to nothing to do with Obama. You could have put in McCain, Palin, or (supposing we had a time machine) Ronald Reagan. We'd still have unemployment near 10%.
Well the poll numbers showed thta McCain was ahead of Obama right before the credit crisis hit the fan, so yea. Then under Obama the unemployment rate increased to 10% as well as Obama favoring policies that more than likely would be punitive to the economy in terms of tax increases and economic growth once in place.
On the one hand, the economic collapse ...[text shortened]... e other hand, it will detour Obama, or at least should, from doing what he wants.
Ironic, eh?
Also where are the tax increases that Obama has put in the tax code? Maybe in the future taxes will increase, but so far he hasn't been increasing taxes.
Originally posted by telerionBut the average Joe doesn't know that.
Whodey, I've got to correct you here. The high unemployment rate has next to nothing to do with Obama. You could have put in McCain, Palin, or (supposing we had a time machine) Ronald Reagan. We'd still have unemployment near 10%.
Also where are the tax increases that Obama has put in the tax code? Maybe in the future taxes will increase, but so far he hasn't been increasing taxes.
The 10% unemployment is happening on the watch of Obama and the Democrats. So people who are upset about the economy are going to take it out on the party in power. Just as they did last year.
Regardless of the actual effects of anyone's policies, the election in 2010 is going to depend a great deal on how the economy looks a year from now.
Originally posted by MelanerpesI agree. Just trying to dispel myths where I can.
But the average Joe doesn't know that.
The 10% unemployment is happening on the watch of Obama and the Democrats. So people who are upset about the economy are going to take it out on the party in power. Just as they did last year.
Regardless of the actual effects of anyone's policies, the election in 2010 is going to depend a great deal on how the economy looks a year from now.
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Originally posted by FMFI wouldn't say invariably, but that certainly is more likely than not. Perhaps that can explain the VA election.
In British politics, people vote 'against' incumbents during recessions, pretty much invariably. Is that not the case in U.S. politics?
But NJ is a horse of a different color. It's a solid blue state with a big voter registration edge that Obama took by 14 points last year. Plus, Corzine had the big edge in money since he financed his own campaign. In addition, Obama stumped for him a ton last week. Obama sensed that VA was gone and so they put all their efforts into salvaging NJ, which they could not do.
No doubt the results can and will be spun (you can spin any election results), but this is a hit for Democrats. Plain and simple.
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Originally posted by sh76If they had done an Obama-McCain do-over election this year, I'm sure Obama would still have won in NJ -- perhaps the margin would have been a bit narrower, but Obama likely still wins by at least 10 points.
I wouldn't say invariably, but that certainly is more likely than not. Perhaps that can explain the VA election.
But NJ is a horse of a different color. It's a solid blue state with a big voter registration edge that Obama took by 14 points last year. Plus, Corzine had the big edge in money since he financed his own campaign. In addition, Obama stumped for h ...[text shortened]... e spun (you can spin any election results), but this is a hit for Democrats. Plain and simple.
I think one thing going for Obama was that lots of people liked him last year (and still do), and made a special effort to get out and vote for him. But Corzine isn't nearly as likeable, he used to be a top dog at Goldman Sachs (only AIG could have been worse), and he didn't seem like he had any clue about how to deal with the big issues currently facing the state (property taxes, property taxes, and property taxes). Christie's strategy was mainly to speak softly and carry no sticks and just keep out of Corzine's lost way. For awhile, it looked like Daggett was going to mess up this strategy, but he didn't.