Originally posted by nemesioYou're right. I give. There is no logical evidence to claim that artists are not "real" jobs.
You are comparing one author against how many other people? The entirety of the auto union? Is that fair? Sure, Stephen King had less influence than the entire UAW.
But did the entirety of writers have less influence than the entire UAW is the question? Or, did Stephen King (or any writer) have less influence than any representatve member of the UAW? ...[text shortened]... hose of the UAW had profound influences on the world around them, and have 'real' jobs.
I gues it's more of an emotional feeling of which jobs I would be proud to do. Which jobs I feel are productive to the country.
Although I would be embarrassed to say I was a abstract painter for a living, I can't deny their usefulness to society.
Nemesio, as you know I very much like music, especially classical music. I have been told that learning to play an instrument wires the brain for learning. It may do the same thing that chess does in terms of expanding the thinking processes. However, I must admit that I get jealous of people who are very good with their hands in another way, like plumbers, car mechanics, and carpenters. I wold never discount their jobs as unimportant.
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Originally posted by kirksey957Try the best of both worlds, like I do!
Nemesio, as you know I very much like music, especially classical music. I have been told that learning to play an instrument wires the brain for learning. It may do the same thing that chess does in terms of expanding the thinking pro ...[text shortened]... and carpenters. I would never discount their jobs as unimportant.
Play the pipe organ: performing musician and pedagogue.
Build a pipe organ: rough and finish carpenter and electrician.
And musicians divide themselves into two groups: performers, or practical musicians; and academes, or musicologists.
Got both schools of thought going on that front, too!
Nemesio
Originally posted by nemesioWhat in your opinion are the 5 greatest pieces composed for organ?
Try the best of both worlds, like I do!
Play the pipe organ: performing musician and pedagogue.
Build a pipe organ: rough and finish carpenter and electrician.
And musicians divide themselves into two groups: performers, or practical musicians; and academes, or musicologists.
Got both schools of thought going on that front, too!
Nemesio
Originally posted by Saint NickThere are people who would be embarrassed to say that they work in an assembly line or as a plumber.
Although I would be embarrassed to say I was a abstract painter for a living, I can't deny their usefulness to society.
There is no shame in having a job that you do well and are proud of. I can think of very few jobs which have little or no value in their local level, and very few jobs that have world-wide significance individually.
As long as you don't think other people should be embarrassed for being an abstract painter, then there isn't a problem.
And as long as you didn't teach your son or daughter that being an abstract painter isn't something about which s/he should be embarrassed, there isn't problem.
Otherwise, you are imposing judgment on what you feel is embarrassing on another person, and that would be a shame.
Nemesio
Originally posted by kirksey957It's hard to say about the 5 greatest, because what constitutes great depends on genre. How can one compare Bach and Duruflé? It's apples and butterflies!
What in your opinion are the 5 greatest pieces composed for organ?
I can tell you what 5 of my favorite pieces are, though. I have more than 5 pieces contending for favorites at any given time, so these only represent the first 5 that came into my mind at this moment in time.
1) Prelude and Fugue on 'ALAIN' by Maurice Duruflé (my enduring #1 favorite)
2) Fugue a la Gigue by Johann Sebastian Bach
3) Organ Symphony #7 by Charles Marie Widor
4) Triptyque Symphonique by Pierre Cochereau (improvised live in 1977 at Notre Dame)
5) Prelude and Fugue in E-flat (so-called St Anne) from Clavierübung III by Johann Sebastian Bach
However, some pieces are more fun to play than simply to just listen to, such as pieces by Healey Willan or Percy Whitlock. Some require specific organs to be interesting (to my ear) such as those by Buxtehude or M. Praetorius. There is so much great organ literature, it would be hard to pick.
Nemesio
Originally posted by nemesioAnd don't you dare get me started talking about what my favorite organ is, not unless you want to read a post that would dwarf anything I've written in these forums so far!
Some require specific organs to be interesting (to my ear)...
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As you can tell, I might have an opinion or two to express.
Nemesio
Originally posted by nemesiolol....No I wouldn't be embarrassed of some else that was an abstract impressionist. I jsut wouldn't want to say that I was one.
There are people who would be embarrassed to say that they work in an assembly line or as a plumber.
There is no shame in having a job that you do well and are proud of. I can think of very few jobs which have little or no value in their local level, and very few jobs that have world-wide significance individually.
As long as you don't think other pe ...[text shortened]... dgment on what you feel is embarrassing on another person, and that would be a shame.
Nemesio
I'd much rather go to work to fix something, help someone, build something, invent somenthing, etc.
And I teach my son that it doesn't matter what job he (or a person) holds, how much money they make, or what kind of car they drive. It matters that he (they) can hold their head high and be proud of who they are, what they do, and what they have done.
Originally posted by Saint NickAmen. If that every parent believed this!
And I teach my son that it doesn't matter what job he (or a person) holds, how much money they make, or what kind of car they drive. It matters that he (they) can hold their head high and be proud of who they are, what they do, and what they have done.
Nemesio
Originally posted by no1marauderWith inflation being what it is, shouldn't you be a four-bit lawyer?
Absolutely not! Most Arts I've met were complete a**holes; why I knew this guy Art in college and he ....... wait, a minute THE ARTS? Oh, too busy playing chess and arguing with people to worry about them!
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At last! A discussion about organs!
I couldn't say what my five favorite pieces for organ are, although it's quite likely that most would be written by JS Bach. On a very different note, I really like some stuff I've heard by Poulenc.
I studied piano for eight years (I still play frequently) but I've only played a small organ once. Even so, I found that playing a piano is like playing an organ in the same sense that driving my sister's 1994 Tercel is like driving a Saturn rocket.
What, pray tell, is your favorite organ?
Originally posted by nemesioThe arts are beneficial, and indeed, they are a vital part of our existence. The arts teach us to be creative, and without creativity, we have no creation, which means no science, no math, no medicine, no civilization.
Originally posted by Saint Nick
[b]I'm too blue collar to see artist, filmaker, actor, etc as
'real' jobs. While lucrative, I fail to see how they are a benefit to anyone.
I'd like to discuss this topic, because I think that this perspective is prevalent amongst many people.
First, I think we need to define what a
'real' job is; S ...[text shortened]... ow some (or all) of the statements made on this web page are false or at least spurious.
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When viewing or participating in the arts, our mental and emotional well-being is improved. Our physical well-being is improved as well. The blood pressure is lowered.
Every society, culture, ethnicity, race, religion has created the arts. Even those tribes in deepest equatorial South America, deep in the Amazon rain forests have their own form of the arts. Humans must have the arts to express themselves.
There is no human being who does not participate in either enjoying or creating the arts.
Originally posted by Saint NickAs a matter of fact, Beethoven did have a professional teacher, by the name of Franz Josef Haydn, among others.
Hmmm.. I have no doubt that music enriches lives, makes people happier with their life, more productive, etc. But, I don't necessarily agree that this has to be confered by professional musicians. Why can't hobbyists teach each other to play an instrument? My mother taught me to play the piano. I'm not great, but I can play well enough to enjoy it and ...[text shortened]... huh?).
So, here's a question for you: Is a professional athelete a 'real' job?
Originally posted by royalchickenI am sorry you have a small organ.
At last! A discussion about organs!
I couldn't say what my five favorite pieces for organ are, although it's quite likely that most would be written by JS Bach. On a very different note, I really like some stuff I've heard by Poulenc.
I studied piano for eight years (I still play frequently) but I've only played a small organ once. Even s ...[text shortened]... 994 Tercel is like driving a Saturn rocket.
What, pray tell, is your favorite organ?
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