-Removed-Oh please.
On an individual level, perhaps.
But on the grander scale of sports… how often does it happen?
Does it ever work out the other way? I’m sure it does. Or the sports events themselves would be calling foul.
And most experts seem to shrug it off too.
The sports world is surely not reknown for its liberalism?
-Removed-It’s not.
There is a group of right-wingers who keep bringing up trans women in female sports.
Most of the experts, most of the sporting events and most of the athletes have no problems with it.
As I said, I don’t know enough about the subject (whether bone density and strength decrease enough through medication) to make a judgement call one way or another.
So, I would say: let the professionals debate it properly.
As for debates here, all I hear is: “it’s wrong. Trans women beating up women!”
To that I say: what then? If you don’t think they should compete with women, where should they compete? Or, would you just boot them out of sports altogether?
-Removed-I would react to your post, but am currently dunking a hobnob into a herbal tea. (Peppermint).
True story.
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@shavixmir said“There is a group of right-wingers who keep bringing up trans women in female sports.
It’s not.
There is a group of right-wingers who keep bringing up trans women in female sports.
Most of the experts, most of the sporting events and most of the athletes have no problems with it.
As I said, I don’t know enough about the subject (whether bone density and strength decrease enough through medication) to make a judgement call one way or another.
So, I woul ...[text shortened]... ompete with women, where should they compete? Or, would you just boot them out of sports altogether?
Most of the experts, most of the sporting events and most of the athletes have no problems with it. ”
made up out of whole cloth…where do you get your info?
-Removed-I don’t know.
It probably depends which sport, what age any transition took place, how long estrogen has been taken, how well testosterone suppresents work, etc.
If there’s been major surgery and estrogen from before the age of 20… how much “biological” male is left?
If I read it all correctly (a few years ago when this debate first started), the muscle mass, testosterone and bone density are equal to biologically born females.
So, like, yah.. there’s that.
And there are biologically born women with higher than average testosterone levels as well. They can’t compete either?
So, there’s that too.
It doesn’t feel right, somehow. I get that as well.
However, feelings are feelings are feelings. What do the facts say?
Here’s a 2021 report:
https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review
Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport.
This is a 2024 study by the International Olympic committee (whatever the hell that is):
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna148437
They find that trans women often have a relative disadvantage in sports.
I didn’t bother reading up on the how, what and why.
So, my conclusion is: this is way too complicated for me to state yah or nay on.
The sports world itself seems fine by it. As do many female athletes.
And that’s that, I guess.