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  1. 22 Feb '16 11:38
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYcvAsphbIs

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html

    i think i must revise my position of any democrat candidate could beat any republican candidate.

    According to Quinnipiac, Hillary clinton does worse than Cruz (oh boy), Kasich and Rubio and Bush.and beats Trump by 1%


    Meanwhile Sanders beats any republican candidate by rather large margins. The worse Sanders is doing is a close-ish win against Kasich by about 4-5 points.


    So looking at these polls, can anyone keep saying that Sanders is not electable?
  2. 22 Feb '16 13:21
    I like Bernie Sanders.
    The democrats will not nominate Sanders, even if Clinton dies.
    So, no, he's not very electable.
  3. 22 Feb '16 14:16
    The election be damned.

    It's all about the super duper delegates
  4. 22 Feb '16 14:27
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    I like Bernie Sanders.
    The democrats will not nominate Sanders, even if Clinton dies.
    So, no, he's not very electable.
    polls of sanders vs clinton disagree
  5. 22 Feb '16 15:41
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    polls of sanders vs clinton disagree
    I know. Polls aren't of very much value.
    I think its a curious year. The Republicans are in free-fall, like the usual democrats
    and the democrats are behaving like the normal republicans - that is: anointing the person whose turn it is.
    And the conventional wisdom is even worse. Hillary is thought to be an easy winner in November against anyone. I'm not sure there is a single republican she can beat. Her negatives are enormous.
    And Trump is thought to be unelectable. That's not clear to me. What Trump needs to win in November is a return to the high volume turnout of the fifties and early sixties.
    I think she gets the nomination. I'm less sure on the republican side
  6. 22 Feb '16 16:25
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    I know. Polls aren't of very much value.
    I think its a curious year. The Republicans are in free-fall, like the usual democrats
    and the democrats are behaving like the normal republicans - that is: anointing the person whose turn it is.
    And the conventional wisdom is even worse. Hillary is thought to be an easy winner in November against anyone. I'm not ...[text shortened]... fties and early sixties.
    I think she gets the nomination. I'm less sure on the republican side
    "I know. Polls aren't of very much value."
    yes, your own opinion is much more important.

    polls are the only thing we have at the moment and when candidate X polls close to candidate Y and has been constantly on the rise, one can hardly call X not electable.
  7. 22 Feb '16 16:31
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "I know. Polls aren't of very much value."
    yes, your own opinion is much more important.

    polls are the only thing we have at the moment and when candidate X polls close to candidate Y and has been constantly on the rise, one can hardly call X not electable.
    And yet, somehow I do. Polls may be the only thing you have. That's your situation, not mine. Lets just see what happens.
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    22 Feb '16 17:29
    Even if Hillary is more electable, what is the point? Surely the most that can be expected is a narrow Clinton win and perhaps a shift in Senate control. That will mean that there is virtually no chance that any of her proposals would be enacted; Republicans despise Hillary even more than Obama and aren't going to be willing to compromise on virtually anything.

    Bernie's proposals are more comprehensive and more "leftist" but they are also getting overwhelming support from young voters. IF those voters actually turn out in the elections and moreover start voting in later ones, then there is the possibility that Democrats could regain the House in 2018 or 2020 and really be in a position to effectuate change.

    Playing not to lose is generally considered a poor strategy in sports and I don't think it's any better of one in politics. The Dems need a strategy to reverse Republican legislative dominance (reinforced by effective modern gerrymandering and perhaps voter suppression laws) at both the Federal and State levels. Getting out overwhelmingly Democratic young voters could very well be that strategy but they are indifferent to Hillary.
  9. 22 Feb '16 17:42
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYcvAsphbIs

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_clinton-3827.html

    i think i must revise my position of any democrat candidate could beat any republican candidate.

    According to Quinnipiac, Hillary clinton does worse than Cruz (oh boy), Kasich and Rubio and Bush.and beats ...[text shortened]... 5 points.


    So looking at these polls, can anyone keep saying that Sanders is not electable?
    Polls say what pollsters want them to say.
  10. 22 Feb '16 18:47 / 1 edit
    Bernie praises the Pope

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/catholic-tv-interview-bernie-sanders-praises-popes-socialism

    So if Bernie selects the Pope as VP, is he still electable?
  11. 22 Feb '16 19:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Even if Hillary is more electable, what is the point? Surely the most that can be expected is a narrow Clinton win and perhaps a shift in Senate control. That will mean that there is virtually no chance that any of her proposals would be enacted; Republicans despise Hillary even more than Obama and aren't going to be willing to compromise on virtually an ...[text shortened]... ly Democratic young voters could very well be that strategy but they are indifferent to Hillary.
    It isn't Hillary or Bernie that Republicans despise. It is their ideas, and the way they want to transform America. What you said in conclusion is true of any candidate winning the Presidency. Only a small fraction of anyone's proposals gets enacted.
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    25 Feb '16 18:19
    It would be good for US politics and the election process if someone like Sanders could get elected president.
    Whether you agree with him or not, surely it must be a good thing that somebody not financed by billionaires who avoid taxation at home, can become president.
  13. 25 Feb '16 19:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign to No1Marauder
    It isn't Hillary or Bernie that Republicans despise. It is their ideas, and the way they want to transform America.
    What you said in conclusion is true of any candidate winning the Presidency. Only a small fraction of anyone's proposals gets enacted.
    More nonsense from Normbenign. In fact, the Republicans have a long record (going
    back much earlier than this US Presidential campaign) of fiercely personally attacking
    Hillary Clinton, sometimes in misogynistic terms.

    While I don't have a high opinion of Hillary Clinton, I understand that many American women
    would like to see her become President as a rebuttal to all the right-wing misogynistic attacks against her.
    And I don't expect a future President Hillary Clinton 'to transform America' at all.
  14. 26 Feb '16 12:02
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    It would be good for US politics and the election process if someone like Sanders could get elected president.
    Whether you agree with him or not, surely it must be a good thing that somebody not financed by billionaires who avoid taxation at home, can become president.
    Agreed
  15. 26 Feb '16 15:00
    Originally posted by normbenign
    It isn't Hillary or Bernie that Republicans despise. It is their ideas, and the way they want to transform America. What you said in conclusion is true of any candidate winning the Presidency. Only a small fraction of anyone's proposals gets enacted.
    "It isn't Hillary or Bernie that Republicans despise. It is their ideas"
    actually most americans, republicans or otherwise, agree with bernies ideas.