19 Sep 08
The reign of error continues:
"...a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate...Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote
20 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThat's awesome! You quote Gerald Warner's ultra conservative U.K. blog. You truly are getting scared aren't you. There was a time (not sure when though) when you actually had a valid point. Now you are just another fear mongering idiot.
The reign of error continues:
"...a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate...Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote
Cheers!
20 Sep 08
Originally posted by CliffLandinIt's amazing that your side never wants to talk about the facts, like the fact that Biden has effectively lost the Catholic vote for Obama or the fact that he can't receive communion in many places, meaning that in effect, he's been ex-communicated from his own church.
That's awesome! You quote Gerald Warner's ultra conservative U.K. blog. You truly are getting scared aren't you. There was a time (not sure when though) when you actually had a valid point. Now you are just another fear mongering idiot.
Cheers!
20 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI'd love to talk about facts. However, you haven't presented any. Only conjecture and inuendo.
It's amazing that your side never wants to talk about the facts, like the fact that Biden has effectively lost the Catholic vote for Obama or the fact that he can't receive communion in many places, meaning that in effect, he's been ex-communicated from his own church.
20 Sep 08
Originally posted by CliffLandinHow about these facts you braying jackass?
I'd love to talk about facts. However, you haven't presented any. Only conjecture and inuendo.
55 bishops have denounced Biden.
Biden rejected by Union of Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations.
Archbishop Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and now Prefect of the Apostolic Segnatura in Rome, said communion should be denied to pro-abortion politicians "until they have reformed their lives".
Archbishop Chaput of Denver had already announced Biden should not receive communion because of his pro-abortion views.
On September 2 the Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania (a crucial swing state) banned him from communion in his diocese. That is effective excommunication.
On NBC's Meet the Press programe on September 7 Biden grossly misrepresented the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion and audaciously cited St Thomas Aquinas in his own cause.
There are 47 million Catholic voters in the United States. One quarter of all registered voters are Catholics. At every presidential election in the past 30 years the Catholic vote has gone to the winning candidate, except for Al Gore in 2000. This year 41 per cent of Catholics are independents - up from 30 per cent in 2004. Psephologists claim practising Catholics were the decisive factor in the crucial swing states in 2004: in Ohio 65 per cent of Catholics voted for Bush, in Florida 66 per cent.
Face it, even the partisan dinosaur media that is in the tank for Obama thinks Biden has a Catholic problem:
Time magazine" http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1840965,00.html
NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/us/politics/17catholics.html?_r=1&sq=biden%20catholic&st=cse&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=3&adxnnlx=1221912357-FtqIdyjyK08AWlrseEFpKw
20 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterDid you even read the articles or, as usual, just the headlines?
How about these facts you braying jackass?
55 bishops have denounced Biden.
Biden rejected by Union of Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations.
Archbishop Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and now Prefect of the Apostolic Segnatura in Rome, said communion should be denied to pro-abortion politicians "until they have reforme ...[text shortened]... iden%20catholic&st=cse&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=3&adxnnlx=1221912357-FtqIdyjyK08AWlrseEFpKw
"Evenly divided in a New York Times-CBS News poll over the summer, Catholics make up about a quarter of the national electorate and about a third in the pivotal battleground states of Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania."
"They are already poised to improve on Kerry's support from Catholic voters, whose top issues this year have been the economy and national security instead of hot-button moral issues. In a TIME poll of Catholic voters conducted this summer, a full 80% said that they could vote for a candidate whose position on abortion differed from theirs."
Yep, all the Catholics are against Biden.
21 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThat can really only help his case. If the bishops don't like him, he must be alright
The reign of error continues:
"...a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate...Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote
21 Sep 08
Originally posted by CliffLandinThat's just the NY Times putting their spin on the story so Democrats don't start jumping off a cliff or threatening to move the Canada when they lose. Read between the lines.
Did you even read the articles or, as usual, just the headlines?
"Evenly divided in a New York Times-CBS News poll over the summer, Catholics make up about a quarter of the national electorate and about a third in the pivotal battleground states of Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania."
"They are already poised to improve on Kerry's support fr ...[text shortened]... se position on abortion differed from theirs."
Yep, all the Catholics are against Biden.
21 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAactually Gore won as well, he lost in the courts. Funny how catholics almost always ignore the bishops and cardinals
There are 47 million Catholic voters in the United States. One quarter of all registered voters are Catholics. At every presidential election in the past 30 years the Catholic vote has gone to the winning candidate, except for Al Gore in 2000. This year 41 per cent of Catholics are independents - up from 30 per cent in 2004. Psephologists cl ...[text shortened]... ucial swing states in 2004: in Ohio 65 per cent of Catholics voted for Bush, in Florida 66 per cent.
21 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterActually the second quote was from the Time article. I knew that you didn't read it. You should definitely try reading something before creating a thread.
That's just the NY Times putting their spin on the story so Democrats don't start jumping off a cliff or threatening to move the Canada when they lose. Read between the lines.
Typical Republican fear mongering.
Once again wasting our time with inane innuendos.
You must be so proud.
21 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI predict certain bishops grandstanding in order to improve their status with the Vatican is not going to sway US Catholic voters much.
The reign of error continues:
"...a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate...Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote