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22 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe simple version is that Mbeki's efforts to manipulate the judicial process around the corruption charges facing Jacob Zuma, pegged to succeed Mbeki, were exposed, and Mbeki was asked to step down.
What's all this about?
South African president Mbeki agrees to step down
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080920/ap_on_re_af/af_south_africa_mbeki
You can find out a whole lot more at www.politicsweb.co.za
22 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageDoes this mean that Zuma will now be able to do it himself or you see this as a positive move?
The simple version is that Mbeki's efforts to manipulate the judicial process around the corruption charges facing Jacob Zuma, pegged to succeed Mbeki, were exposed, and Mbeki was asked to step down.
You can find out a whole lot more at www.politicsweb.co.za
22 Sep 08
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Originally posted by PalynkaHe has been doing it himself. The judiciary was 'anti-revolutionary' until last week, when it ruled in his favour on a technicality. He flip-flops like McCain, actually. And his supporters are no brighter than the average US voter.
Does this mean that Zuma will now be able to do it himself or you see this as a positive move?
A positive outcome would be for the ideological split within the ANC (read "The fall of Thabo Mbeki" on the page I linked to for more details) to develop into a full-blown schism, complete with extra opposition party. What's killing South Africa is too much ANC.
But to answer your question properly -- Mbeki getting the hoof is positive overall. Apart from everything else, his love affair with Mugabe was just too much to swallow.
22 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAgreed. 100% correct....
...A positive outcome would be for the ideological split within the ANC to... develop into a full-blown schism, complete with extra opposition party. What's killing South Africa is too much ANC.
But will this happen, or will the ANC supporters just flock to the 'new messiah' ?
Judging by my experience as a South African living in South Africa I'm a bit sceptic or should I say carefully optimistic.
Lets hope for the best.
22 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIt's hard to imagine Zuma will do anything positive for the economy, though. Isn't he a staunch socialist? Is he going to start repossessing farms?
He has been doing it himself. The judiciary was 'anti-revolutionary' until last week, when it ruled in his favour on a technicality. He flip-flops like McCain, actually. And his supporters are no brighter than the average US voter.
A positive outcome would be for the ideological split within the ANC (read "The fall of Thabo Mbeki" on the page I link ...[text shortened]... rall. Apart from everything else, his love affair with Mugabe was just too much to swallow.
22 Sep 08
Originally posted by spruce112358Zuma ? Well he'll help things right away, he found a cure for aids, dontcha know. Take a shower after you rape someone hahahahahaha
It's hard to imagine Zuma will do anything positive for the economy, though. Isn't he a staunch socialist? Is he going to start repossessing farms?
22 Sep 08
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Originally posted by ysterbaardUnfortunately the average ANC supporter is poor, uneducated and jaded about his/her future, so anyone preaching 'revolution' will get their votes - no matter their track record.
Agreed. 100% correct....
But will this happen, or will the ANC supporters just flock to the 'new messiah' ?
Judging by my experience as a South African living in South Africa I'm a bit sceptic or should I say carefully optimistic.
Lets hope for the best.
Political parties in SA are just too racially divided to unite the whole population.
22 Sep 08
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Originally posted by spruce112358If you like the only difference between the USA and the RSA (Republic of South Africa), is Reagan and Bush had a first class economy to run down. But if American's dont wake up and allow 4 more years of the same MacPain, then I would not be surprised if the US economy starts resembling that of a developing third world nation. Given enough debt any nation can be lumbered into being a banana republic.
So you think he's all right?
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