Gawsh. I am not sure why it needs to be said but looking at all these tech bros saying they've created consciousness and emotion inside a computer is just nonsense. There's moral philosophers saying we should extend rights of personhood to machines now, because they "express feelings" etc.
All hogwash. Computers will never be sentient, will never express emotion, will never be alive. I blame the decline of a liberal arts education. All these coders and engineers never took a biology class in their life, have no idea how thoughts are formed or emotions are felt and transmitted. They're idiots, the whole lot of them, now empowered with hundreds of billions sometimes trillions of dollars. Idiots.
Rant over.
@wildgrass saidI would not commit to its never happening, never ever, but the machines we've built so far are a long ways away from having consciousness.
Gawsh. I am not sure why it needs to be said but looking at all these tech bros saying they've created consciousness and emotion inside a computer is just nonsense. There's moral philosophers saying we should extend rights of personhood to machines now, because they "express feelings" etc.
All hogwash. Computers will never be sentient, will never express emotion, will ne ...[text shortened]... them, now empowered with hundreds of billions sometimes trillions of dollars. Idiots.
Rant over.
Here is an interesting article on AI-generated images:
https://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/magazine/issue-107/eyes-wide-shut
While it is becoming more and more difficult for humans to spot the difference btw human-generated and AI-generated images, AI has not yet demonstrated anything remotely like originality or true creativity--it is just regurgitating white-cis-male-preferences for images slightly re-arranged and with the cigarette butts and con-trails removed.
1 edit
@moonbus saidI will grant you the metaphorical possibility because anything's possible but let me make a hypothesis that AI will never be conscious or capable of actual thought. Brains aren't computers.
I would not commit to its never happening, never ever, but the machines we've built so far are a long ways away from having consciousness.
Here is an interesting article on AI-generated images:
https://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/magazine/issue-107/eyes-wide-shut
While it is becoming more and more difficult for humans to spot the difference btw human-generated and AI-genera ...[text shortened]... ale-preferences for images slightly re-arranged and with the cigarette butts and con-trails removed.
I've heard the opposite argument that since we don't know for sure how human brains achieve consciousness or even if we have free will then how can we know for sure that computers don't have those things.
But that misses the point that they're fundamentally different things and therefore computers cannot achieve human thought processes. Planes can fly but they can't be birds. Brains don't operate on binary codes or store/access information using mechanisms that are even remotely similar. There are analogous properties, but they are just metaphorical, not based on the same thing.
@vivify saidSure there's that inverse negative argument as well, but I don't find it scary at all. We don't know if we're real either.
If computers ever gained sentience, how could we know it?
There's a frightening possibility that AI may have sentience but humans, assuming they don't, treat them in cruel ways.
It's like if you compare a pine tree to one of those radio antennas built to look like a pine tree, and then you asked: How do we know that the radio antenna doesn't think it's a real tree but stuck in a metal body?
@wildgrass saidYeah, I was just putting that thought out there.
Sure there's that inverse negative argument as well, but I don't find it scary at all. We don't know if we're real either.
It's like if you compare a pine tree to one of those radio antennas built to look like a pine tree, and then you asked: How do we know that the radio antenna doesn't think it's a real tree but stuck in a metal body?
I can't imagine computers ever gaining sentience. It would be frightening if they could, both humans and the computer.
But for now, I don't think this is possible.
- Joined
- 14 Mar 04
- Moves
- 214762
@wildgrass saidWhat about sapience?🤔
Gawsh. I am not sure why it needs to be said but looking at all these tech bros saying they've created consciousness and emotion inside a computer is just nonsense. There's moral philosophers saying we should extend rights of personhood to machines now, because they "express feelings" etc.
All hogwash. Computers will never be sentient, will never express emotion, will ne ...[text shortened]... them, now empowered with hundreds of billions sometimes trillions of dollars. Idiots.
Rant over.
1 edit
@vivify saidFundamentally different. Computers cannot ever operate on the same frequency with human brains.
Yeah, I was just putting that thought out there.
I can't imagine computers ever gaining sentience. It would be frightening if they could, both humans and the computer.
But for now, I don't think this is possible.
If it looks like a computer, walks like a computer, quacks like a computer, don't call it a brain.
@Great-Big-Stees saidCan you clarify this comment? I don't understand how a computer the size of Amazon warehouse can be fundamentally compared to a synapse.
What about sapience?🤔