19 May 05
Originally posted by Jay Peateaor hypnotising people on benefits not to smoke. why should my taxes pay for their drug habits?
Brainwashing seems to be an effective way for a cult to gain and keep members. Hypnosis can help people get over their fears & quit things like smoking & booze.
Would it be an ethical & effective solution to brainwash/hypnotise criminals into being model citizens?.
20 May 05
Originally posted by SiskinI want state paid hippo therapy for hamburgerholics ..
The Anthony Burgess novel 'A Clockwork Orange' was about this subject ... his conclusion was no.
Invigorate, the cost of cigarettes is essentially all tax, so your tax is going to pay for their tax .... it's what Gordon Brown calls 'investment'
It should be free to all. Wean us all from Burgers
unless eaten at Invigs restaurant in Brighton....
While while smoking a fat joint.
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20 May 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightI was watching that on TV the other day. There hoping to have it ready for marketing within 5 yrs. Should be interesting to see the effects of that. More a preventive messure in teenagers I believe . Would be a definate blessing if they could "cure" smoking
There is a vaccine for quitting smoking, will be available in a few years. Works like this: the vaccine bonds to the nicotine molecule and prevents it from reaching the brain, so the smoker won't get the little buzz from smoking.
20 May 05
Originally posted by Jay PeateaThe brainwashing you speak of requires a certain degree of ability of the washed.
Brainwashing seems to be an effective way for a cult to gain and keep members. Hypnosis can help people get over their fears & quit things like smoking & booze.
Would it be an ethical & effective solution to brainwash/hypnotise criminals into being model citizens?.
Nobody can impose a will upon an unconscious fool.
I think that the criminal you speak of is way beyond conscious thought.
I use hypnosis on myself. It isn't a magic thing. It is a conversation between my id and my ego. It makes a lot of sense. I integrate these "notions" into a viable being. But then. I am a savant. An idiot who had to do it or perish.
Brain washing won't work on a bag of tissue.
Another famous old saying.... etc.
20 May 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyNot all criminals are stupid, infact some of them are quite clever. Lets say that they hypnotise minor reoffenders to feel physically sick everytime they thought about doing a crime. This might stop them doing it. If it only works on 10% of them that is still 10% less crime.
The brainwashing you speak of requires a certain degree of ability of the washed.
Nobody can impose a will upon an unconscious fool.
I think that the criminal you speak of is way beyond conscious thought.
I use hypnosis on myself. It isn't a magic thing. It is a conversation between my id and my ego. It makes a lot of sense. I integrate these ...[text shortened]... r perish.
Brain washing won't work on a bag of tissue.
Another famous old saying.... etc.
20 May 05
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Originally posted by Jay PeateaGood theory. But the truth of hypnosis is that one must participate for it to have any meaning.
Not all criminals are stupid, infact some of them are quite clever. Lets say that they hypnotise minor reoffenders to feel physically sick everytime they thought about doing a crime. This might stop them doing it. If it only works on 10% of them that is still 10% less crime.
The smarter the criminal, the less he will participate.
A mind thought, sir.
Suppose General Model marched into delhi in 1945. Suppose that japan never attacked the us. Suppose that the UK fell to hitler. Suppose that the USSR fell. Suppose that Ghandi now faced Model. In Delhi?
What would have happened? Would Model have captitulated to the peacefull protests? As the British did? Or did Ghandi's success depend upon a civilized opponent? What if Model machine gunned the first march and killed Ghandi? What if a strike against the railroad resulted in the rounding up and execution of every tenth worker? For five days? Would peaceful methods work?
Just a thought.
"the resolution of peacefull non-compliance depends on a benevelent opponent".
Another famous old saying... etc.
20 May 05
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyOne might be able to pursuade the subject to participate in the process, as a trade off, for extra benefits (more smokes) or without the subject even realising. Recent i watched an episode of Derren Brown when he hypnotised a member of the public using a specially design computer game.
Good theory. But the truth of hypnosis is that one must participate for it to have any meaning.
The smarter the criminal, the less he will participate.
A mind thought, sir.
Suppose General Model marched into delhi in 1945. Sup ...[text shortened]... s on a benevelent opponent".
Another famous old saying... etc.
20 May 05
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Originally posted by Jay PeateaYea. But the problem is that to be "brain washed" one has to want to be.
One might be able to pursuade the subject to participate in the process, as a trade off, for extra benefits (more smokes) or without the subject even realising. Recent i watched an episode of Derren Brown when he hypnotised a member of the public using a specially design computer game.
Do you see that happening? Those who regret their deed are not going to do it. Those who don't will milk the do-gooders for all they are worth.
Real, honest to god bad guys are just bad. No honor. No conscience. They will fool and kill again. That is the game. Much to the chagrin of thousands of university trained "criminal justice" majors.
22 May 05
Originally posted by mokkoYes, and in fact they're more enslaved for the fact they don't know they're a slave, as it means they don't even have freedom of thought. But if someone had criminal tendencies associated with a loss of self-control, eg a tendency to get very drunk and violent, only to regret it in the morning, then removing those tendencies could make them freer in some sense.
Is a slave that does not know he's a slave still a slave?
23 May 05
Originally posted by SiskinGeorge Orwell's '1984' was also (partly) about this subject. His conclusion seemed to be yes (Winston loved Big Brother).
The Anthony Burgess novel 'A Clockwork Orange' was about this subject ... his conclusion was no.
Invigorate, the cost of cigarettes is essentially all tax, so your tax is going to pay for their tax .... it's what Gordon Brown calls 'investment'
23 May 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZIronically I was thinking about 1984 the other day and how much more freedom we had then than now.
George Orwell's '1984' was also (partly) about this subject. His conclusion seemed to be yes (Winston loved Big Brother).
pre PC era (just)
we all smoked and no-one moaned
no-ne had to wear a bicycle helmet (NZ Law)
pre-aids
pre-employment (cheap labour) contracts act
pre-sky TV take over of sport
pre-little square boxes that suck all our spare time ...
The Book was brilliant. Movie okay...must be due a remake 2084?