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  1. 18 Oct '16 17:56 / 1 edit
    Legalizes marijuana under state law, for use by adults 21 or older. Imposes state taxes on sales and cultivation. Provides for industry licensing and establishes standards for marijuana products. Allows local regulation and taxation. Fiscal Impact: Additional tax revenues ranging from high hundreds of millions of dollars to over $1 billion annually, mostly dedicated to specific purposes. Reduced criminal justice costs of tens of millions of dollars annually.

    The above is the official ballot summary of proposition 64 on the CA ballot. It is an initiative, meaning a vote of the citizens that bypasses any need for legislative action. It establishes a much wordier statute.

    The opposition includes the California Highway Patrol Offficers Assn., on the basis that there is no available roadside test for DUI-marijuana, hospital and health care organizations, on the basis of health and exposure of minors to advertising, etc. There is already a statute legalizing medical marijuana under a doctor's care, that permits growing of small quantities.

    Bringing regulation to the marijuana industry would help stem a growing environmental problem in areas of the state where marijuana is grown, for example the control of pesticides and associated runoff into streams and rivers.

    How should I vote?
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    18 Oct '16 18:06
    Originally posted by JS357
    Legalizes marijuana under state law, for use by adults 21 or older. Imposes state taxes on sales and cultivation. Provides for industry licensing and establishes standards for marijuana products. Allows local regulation and taxation. Fiscal Impact: Additional tax revenues ranging from high hundreds of millions of dollars to over $1 billion annually, mostly ded ...[text shortened]... e the control of pesticides and associated runoff into streams and rivers.

    How should I vote?
    Anything that takes away revenue from the out of control police and court system is automatically a good thing.
    This so-called drug war is a blight on the country; the sooner we abandon it, the better.
  3. 18 Oct '16 18:12
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Anything that takes away revenue from the out of control police and court system is automatically a good thing.
    This so-called drug war is a blight on the country; the sooner we abandon it, the better.
    Thanks

    PS there are links to pro/cons at

    http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/en/propositions/64/
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    19 Oct '16 00:13
    Vote YES because FREEDOM
  5. 19 Oct '16 00:34 / 3 edits
    A few states are testing new potalyzer.
    Ca is one. It can tell if you recently used a THC product. Hopefully it will make it to the workplace also. That way they can't fire you for, say, smoking a joint a few days ago. The war on drugs is a farce. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/marijuana-breath-test-pot-dui_n_4143264.html > http://www.naturalnews.com/055667_marijuana_legalization_breathalyzers_checkpoints.html
  6. 19 Oct '16 01:50
    With a looming Trump/Hillary Presidency, society is in desperate need of more drugs.
  7. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    19 Oct '16 07:22
    Originally posted by JS357
    Legalizes marijuana under state law, for use by adults 21 or older. Imposes state taxes on sales and cultivation. Provides for industry licensing and establishes standards for marijuana products. Allows local regulation and taxation. Fiscal Impact: Additional tax revenues ranging from high hundreds of millions of dollars to over $1 billion annually, mostly ded ...[text shortened]... e the control of pesticides and associated runoff into streams and rivers.

    How should I vote?
    Interesting.

    Arizona has their own Prop. 205 on the ballot with a similar intent. I suspect ours will go down in flames, there's been a near-constant running of commercials against this, citing the "horror" of what Colorado is going through with their law. It's been heavily denounced as something "Arizona and Arizona's children do not need".

    Prop. 205 actually levies a 15% tax on "all marijuana and marijuana products". I'm guessing this is a state tax and local governments are probably free to tax it to death themselves as well.

    For a political party who claims that taxes and regulation kills business, they're sure stuffing this one with enough taxes and regulations to make it unwieldy and unmanageable, as well as encouraging local governments to add their own layer of regulation to it if it passes.
  8. 19 Oct '16 11:37
    Originally posted by JS357
    .....on the basis of health and exposure of minors to advertising, etc.
    They should put strict limits on advertising. Here in Africa, several countries I know have strict limits on advertising for alcohol or tobacco.
    Also encourage studies on the harmful effects and advertise those effects as has been done with tobacco but not with alcohol.

    How should I vote?
    I think there is good argument to be made that legalising drugs is overall a good thing. The 'war on drugs' tends to harm specific groups and encourage criminal activity while not really stopping drug use.

    What California does need to do is look seriously into water use for marijuana as currently its growth is negatively affecting the water in the state.
  9. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    19 Oct '16 12:53
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    They should put strict limits on advertising. Here in Africa, several countries I know have strict limits on advertising for alcohol or tobacco.
    Also encourage studies on the harmful effects and advertise those effects as has been done with tobacco but not with alcohol.

    [b]How should I vote?

    I think there is good argument to be made that legalisi ...[text shortened]... water use for marijuana as currently its growth is negatively affecting the water in the state.[/b]
    Or, just take back the water that Nestlé has been stealing from the state.
    Problem solved!
  10. 19 Oct '16 15:51 / 1 edit
    Thanks all, I'm voting for the prop 64 initiative. This may prompt our lazy state legislature to get off its collective butt and do some actual legislating on the matter concerning advertising, quality assurance, etc.

    And if it doesn't win, the system is rigged!
  11. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    19 Oct '16 15:57
    Originally posted by JS357
    Thanks all, I'm voting for the prop 64 initiative. This may prompt our lazy state legislature to get off its collective butt and do some actual legislating on the matter concerning advertising, quality assurance, etc.

    And if it doesn't win, the system is rigged!
    Like the fabulous furry freak brothers said 'It ain't a free country if a man can't smoke what he chooses'. Or a woman!
  12. 19 Oct '16 16:17
    Originally posted by JS357
    Thanks all, I'm voting for the prop 64 initiative. This may prompt our lazy state legislature to get off its collective butt and do some actual legislating on the matter concerning advertising, quality assurance, etc.

    And if it doesn't win, the system is rigged!
    Far out dude.

    Surfs up.
  13. 25 Oct '16 22:49
    I'm voting for it mostly because I'm freaking bored with the whole marijuana debate. Legalize it already. Take the gangsters out of it. Tax it. Regulated it.