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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Jun '16 12:53 / 1 edit
    This is a couple of weeks old, but still basically applies

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay-attention-to-libertarian-gary-johnson-hes-pulling-10-vs-trump-and-clinton/

    Johnson (who, as of right now, I plan to vote for) is a much like a classical libertarian (neoliberal economically and liberal socially) but he's not quite as "out there" as the Ron Pauls of the world. He famously said during the Libertarian debates that a Jewish baker should be forced to bake a Nazi cake, but he was really just coming out in favor of the proposition that people ought to follow non-discrimination laws.

    He was also a (Republican) popular two-term governor in a purple state loaded with Latinos.

    Moreover, the Libertarian party has nominated a solid, respected relatively centrist VP candidate in former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld. There's a Republican who was moderate enough to be elected twice to the governorship of the bluest state in the country (or just about the bluest) and to anger Republican Senate Foreign Relations committee Chairman Jesse Helms enough to have Helms block his ambassadorship nomination (to Mexico, ironically).

    He needs to poll at 15% to get into the presidential debates, but if he can clear that threshold (and "undecideds in recent presidential polls have been close to 15% ), he'll be the only sane person on the stage not named Hillary Clinton.

    Granted, Johnson's tax plan is a little crazy, as is his promise to slash entitlements, but he won't actually get them passed anyway.
  2. 08 Jun '16 13:24 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    This is a couple of weeks old, but still basically applies

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay-attention-to-libertarian-gary-johnson-hes-pulling-10-vs-trump-and-clinton/

    Johnson (who, as of right now, I plan to vote for) is a much like a classical libertarian (neoliberal economically and liberal socially) but he's not quite as "out there" as the Ron P ...[text shortened]... le crazy, as is his promise to slash entitlements, but he won't actually get them passed anyway.
    He is a sane candidate? He talks about governmental policy?

    Boring.

    What we need is a Hulk Hogan type get up there and do his professional wrestling bit.
  3. 08 Jun '16 13:29
    You're just throwing your vote away.
  4. 08 Jun '16 13:31
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    You're just throwing your vote away.
    Funny, I thought voting Trump or Hillary was throwing your vote away.
  5. 08 Jun '16 13:36
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    You're just throwing your vote away.
    Your vote almost certainly is not going to matter anyway. If you think about it for a second "strategic" voting makes no sense at all.
  6. 08 Jun '16 13:38
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Your vote almost certainly is not going to matter anyway. If you think about it for a second "strategic" voting makes no sense at all.
    Not so, voting makes you feel good, like someone actually cares what you think.

    Plus you get that fancy sticker saying you voted to wear.

    Outside of that, you are correct, your vote is meaningless.

    So what will be worse, Hillary's first or second term?

    My guess Is the second.
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Jun '16 13:41
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    You're just throwing your vote away.
    If my vote matters in New York, that means New York is close. If New York is close, then the election is over and Trump has won.

    So, either way, my vote doesn't matter much.
  8. 08 Jun '16 13:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    Funny, I thought voting Trump or Hillary was throwing your vote away.
    The difference is one of them will be elected.
    Choose your poison.
    This presidential election has the worst batch of candidates ever put together by both sides.
    It's very depressing.
  9. 08 Jun '16 14:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    The difference is one of them will be elected.
    Choose your poison.
    This presidential election has the worst batch of candidates ever put together by both sides.
    It's very depressing.
    I will not choose my poison. I will make them force it upon me.

    I'm hoping for a voter turn out that is the lowest in US history.

    It would help shed the ruse of a democracy.
  10. 08 Jun '16 14:33
    Originally posted by whodey
    I will not choose my poison. I will make them force it upon me.

    I'm hoping for a voter turn out that is the lowest in US history.

    It would help shed the ruse of a democracy.
    I'm thinking that this election will be among the highest voter turnouts because America has become so polarized since The Chosen One has been in office.
    He didn't bring anyone together, he and his wife have done everything they can to increase the separation, just like the race baiter Al Sharpton that Obama has made a confident and advisor.
    What a schmuck Barry Obama aka Soetoro is.
  11. 08 Jun '16 14:44
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    I'm thinking that this election will be among the highest voter turnouts because America has become so polarized since The Chosen One has been in office.
    He didn't bring anyone together, he and his wife have done everything they can to increase the separation, just like the race baiter Al Sharpton that Obama has made a confident and advisor.
    What a schmuck Barry Obama aka Soetoro is.
    In other words, more and more people are drinking the cool aide.

    The only polarization is an illusion created so that people will lend their support.