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  1. Standard memberchaney3
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    Former NFL player Rae Carruth released from prison today after serving 17 years in prison for having his girlfriend killed, trying to also kill their unborn child to avoid paying child support. She died but the child survived, and now has multiple medical problems.

    Too soon? Is 17 years enough?
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    23 Oct '18 00:291 edit
    @chaney3

    So what is a just penalty for someone taking a life?

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    23 Oct '18 00:32
    @whodey said
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    So what is a just penalty for someone taking a life?
    Carruth used his car to block his girl friend's vehicle so his hitman would have an easier time killer her. There is something especially twisted about assisting your hitman as a means to avoid child support.
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    23 Oct '18 00:33
    @quackquack said
    Carruth used his car to block his girl friend's vehicle so his hitman would have an easier time killer her. There is something especially twisted about assisting your hitman as a means to avoid child support.
    Ok, what is a just penalty?
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    23 Oct '18 00:52
    @whodey said
    Ok, what is a just penalty?
    I'd give him the death penalty. But of course that would interfere with his goal of now having a relationship with his surviving child.
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    23 Oct '18 01:121 edit
    @quackquack said
    I'd give him the death penalty. But of course that would interfere with his goal of now having a relationship with his surviving child.
    Now, now, in a civilized society we let murderers live and only kill innocent unborn children.
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    @whodey said
    Now, now, in a civilized society we let murderers live and only kill innocent unborn children.
    in civilized societies we don't allow don't legislate a medical decision.
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    23 Oct '18 03:11
    @quackquack said
    Carruth used his car to block his girl friend's vehicle so his hitman would have an easier time killer her. There is something especially twisted about assisting your hitman as a means to avoid child support.
    That sounds like premeditated murder, which carries a life sentence without parole. Plus, 38states have laws that give rights to the unborn in the form of "fetal homicide" laws:
    http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

    North Carolina (the state where the murder happened) is one of those states; I'm assuming there's some sort of legal penalty for injuring an unborn as well.

    In light of all this, it seems he should still be locked up.

    Plus, this guy seems rather remorseless:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/rae-carruth-released-prison-17-years-conviction-murder-sons-mother-122154354.html
    “I’m excited about just being out of here. I’m nervous just about how I’ll be received by the public,” Carruth said in a phone interview with WSOC-TV on Sunday. “I still have to work. I still have to live. I have to exist out there and it just seems like there is so much hate and negativity toward me. I’m actually somewhat frightened.”

    Somehow he has the nerve to make himself the victim here. I'd have no problem with this guy being locked up much longer.
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    23 Oct '18 03:23
    @chaney3 said
    Former NFL player Rae Carruth released from prison today after serving 17 years in prison for having his girlfriend killed, trying to also kill their unborn child to avoid paying child support. She died but the child survived, and now has multiple medical problems.

    Too soon? Is 17 years enough?
    Enough for what?
    Time enough to be rehabilitated or enough punishment?
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    23 Oct '18 11:22
    @wolfgang59 said
    Enough for what?
    Time enough to be rehabilitated or enough punishment?
    Can greed and pure selfishness be rehabilitated?
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    23 Oct '18 12:39
    @chaney3 said
    Former NFL player Rae Carruth released from prison today after serving 17 years in prison for having his girlfriend killed, trying to also kill their unborn child to avoid paying child support. She died but the child survived, and now has multiple medical problems.

    Too soon? Is 17 years enough?
    It really depends on who Carruth is today. If the parole board has reason to believe he's really rehabilitated then it might make sense to parole him. In a vacuum, I wouldn't say that 17 years is too light.

    Still, I'd shed no tears for him if he were never released.
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    23 Oct '18 12:39
    @chaney3 said
    Can greed and pure selfishness be rehabilitated?
    Sure, why not?
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    23 Oct '18 17:18
    @quackquack said
    I'd give him the death penalty. But of course that would interfere with his goal of now having a relationship with his surviving child.
    Does his child want a relationship with the man who murdered one's mother?
  14. Standard memberchaney3
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    23 Oct '18 17:19
    @sh76 said
    Sure, why not?
    I'm not so sure. It's an interesting argument whether such character flaws can be modified or changed.
    Either way, it was a brutally selfish crime.
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    23 Oct '18 18:25
    @chaney3 said
    I'm not so sure. It's an interesting argument whether such character flaws can be modified or changed.
    Either way, it was a brutally selfish crime.
    Even if such character flaws can be modified or changed, behavior can be modified to mitigate the character flaws so that the person can conform to society's expectations.
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