22 Sep 20
So the CDC last week said that they were in error saying that the SARS-CoV-2 virus
can be transmitted in the air, then, they were no longer sure.
This is all months after the onset of the virus. Experts...? I think not.
NEW YORK (AP) — The top U.S. public health agency stirred confusion by posting — and then taking down — an apparent change in its position on how easily the coronavirus can spread from person to person through the air.
But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say their position has not really changed and that the post last week on the agency’s website was an error that has been taken down.
https://apnews.com/cfb43dd5a28dd449cd1100a067cfd112
And doctor Fauci imploring us to wear masks, then saying that masks do not work.
Experts...? I think not.
22 Sep 20
@earl-of-trumps saidThis has happened before, with the EPA:
@vivify
So Trump made the CDC say that. right right right, Trev. Uh huh.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-staff-fed-scott-pruitt-epa-scripts-for-interviews-2018-11
"Fox & Friends" fed interview scripts to Environmental Protection Agency staff ahead of former Administrator Scott Pruitt's interviews
Emails reviewed by The Daily Beast show producers would provide scripts and topic guidance to Pruitt's staff ahead of time.
It already happened with one government agency, it's happening again with Trump's CDC.
22 Sep 20
@earl-of-trumps saidOne would think that after right wingers here, including Earl, made complete fools of themselves by consistently downplaying the seriousness of COVID and ridiculing projections from experts that turned out to be, sadly, optimistic they'd have the good sense to avoid this subject.
So the CDC last week said that they were in error saying that the SARS-CoV-2 virus
can be transmitted in the air, then, they were no longer sure.
This is all months after the onset of the virus. Experts...? I think not.
[i]NEW YORK (AP) — The top U.S. public health agency stirred confusion by posting — and then taking down — an apparent change in its position on ...[text shortened]... or Fauci imploring us to wear masks, then saying that masks do not work.
Experts...? I think not.
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22 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidActually the US handled this as well as any other country, and better than some.
One would think that after right wingers here, including Earl, made complete fools of themselves by consistently downplaying the seriousness of COVID and ridiculing projections from experts that turned out to be, sadly, optimistic they'd have the good sense to avoid this subject.
Your anger should be directed at china and WHO for lying about this in the beginning.
22 Sep 20
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@earl-of-trumps saidSeveral points to consider here, Earl.
So the CDC last week said that they were in error saying that the SARS-CoV-2 virus
can be transmitted in the air, then, they were no longer sure.
This is all months after the onset of the virus. Experts...? I think not.
[i]NEW YORK (AP) — The top U.S. public health agency stirred confusion by posting — and then taking down — an apparent change in its position on ...[text shortened]... or Fauci imploring us to wear masks, then saying that masks do not work.
Experts...? I think not.
1. The virus is mutating, adapting itself to its hosts to make itself more evolutionarily successful (= maintaining its reproduction rate as its hosts respond).
2. Our knowledge of the virus is changing.
3. The human (social) response to the virus is changing, thereby altering the virus's response to its environment and hosts.
4. The political situation is highly charged by a looming election, and the scientific community cannot/should not/will not shorten its run-in time for performing double-blind tests on potential vaccines simply because a certain head of state wants the stats to look good for him in 42 days.
5. In short, the data are in flux, sometimes conflicting, and the scientific community is under massive pressure to deliver. So, it's not surprising that the experts are not always speaking with one voice, or that what seemed like a well-founded conclusion last Friday appears not so well-founded in light of other considerations (some of which may be political, not medical) the following Monday.
22 Sep 20
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@mott-the-hoople saidThe Federal response was terrible and the State responses were good only where they totally ignored the "expertise" of the Earls, Eladars, Joe Shmos, etc. etc. of the world.
Actually the US handled this as well as any other country, and better than some.
Your anger should be directed at china and WHO for lying about this in the beginning.
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22 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidstate response such as coumo?
The Federal response was terrible and the State responses were good only where they totally ignored the "expertise" of the Earls, Eladars, Joe Shmos, etc. etc. of the world.
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22 Sep 20
@moonbus saidquit running your boo game...
Several points to consider here, Earl.
1. The virus is mutating, adapting itself to its hosts to make itself more evolutionarily successful (= maintaining its reproduction rate as its hosts respond).
2. Our knowledge of the virus is changing.
3. The human (social) response to the virus is changing, thereby altering the virus's response to its environment and hosts.
...[text shortened]... in light of other considerations (some of which may be political, not medical) the following Monday.
All viruses mutate...and mutation can be a good thing.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous
23 Sep 20
@mott-the-hoople saidGood example.
state response such as coumo?
After getting pounded at the first outbreak because of its status as #1 receiver of foreign visitors and its urbanity (among other factors), NYS has reduced its number of active cases to about 1/5 what it was a few months ago and has had 151 COVID deaths this month. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/
By contrast, Florida led by Republican deSantis who has resisted the types of measures commonplace and required in New York like mandatory face mask regulations, has seen its cases more than triple since the end of June and it has suffered 2,135 COVID deaths in September.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
23 Sep 20
@mott-the-hoople saidYes, of course, some mutations render viruses no longer viable. As viruses mutate, our knowledge must keep pace. This means that expert opinion is not chiselled in stone, but must be adjusted. Earl seemed to think that retracting an expert opinion means that experts are not to be trusted. I pointed out that correcting old or mis-information is part of what makes experts worth listening to.
quit running your boo game...
All viruses mutate...and mutation can be a good thing.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous
23 Sep 20
@mott-the-hoople saidThe mutations which are not contributiong to success are eliminated anyway and won't propagate. That is one of the more basic insights in genetics...
quit running your boo game...
All viruses mutate...and mutation can be a good thing.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/pandemic-virus-slowly-mutating-it-getting-more-dangerous
23 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidstop your lying, No1, I never took the stance that COVID is not serious.
One would think that after right wingers here, including Earl, made complete fools of themselves by consistently downplaying the seriousness of COVID and ridiculing projections from experts that turned out to be, sadly, optimistic they'd have the good sense to avoid this subject.