@averagejoe1 saidChina is hardly "doing nothing" regarding climate change.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/china-climate-crisis-renewable-energy-goals
....because, it allows them to get ahead while we are slowed down, stuck in the mire. Should we continue to fund Climate Change while China does nothing in that department?
I can’t see that link on cell phone, but surely you know that the coal-power capacity starting in China was SIX TIMES as large as all of that in the entire world. The entire world. 50 GW of coal power capacity started construction in 2022, only a few months ago. Worky , worky, they are saying. That is an increase o f 50% over 2021!
TWO coal power plants A Week!
Please square your comment with these stats. 2 plants a week. Coal.
@AverageJoe1
You have to know that you and Kev are giving common sense and the news a headache. And me too. 😳
@averagejoe1 saidTheir record is mixed to be sure, but they are hardly "doing nothing" as you claimed:
I can’t see that link on cell phone, but surely you know that the coal-power capacity starting in China was SIX TIMES as large as all of that in the entire world. The entire world. 50 GW of coal power capacity started construction in 2022, only a few months ago. Worky , worky, they are saying. That is an increase o f 50% over 2021!
TWO coal power plants A Week!
Please square your comment with these stats. 2 plants a week. Coal.
They have almost half of the world's solar farm operating capacity, 3 1/2 times as much as the US. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G2fLVGZ6qNaGHtf34iNBsYoZrWTldkOGORIkSqJyd6Q/edit#gid=1977021392
They have about 40% of the world's wind farm capacity, twice as much as the US. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fHLQEdP0Py-6S5NcnNmPWovydbtwuQJI5cR1BkcaE7Y/edit#gid=1977021392
It remains to be seen how much, if any, of this new coal capacity is actually ever used. It seems to be a short term response to the heat wave that caused a historic drought in China last year, drying up rivers and reducing hydropower capacity. The added coal capacity may be envisioned as a temporary backup support for renewables in cases of extreme demand and/or supply limits caused by such external factors. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin
Lots of work to be done, but from 2011 to 2021, China reduced its share of energy from fossil fuels from 92% to 82%.
The US dropped only from 84% to 81% in the same period.
And China gets about 15% of their energy from renewables while the US lags at 10.6%.
And the US uses about 2.5 times as much energy per capita as does China. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china
@AverageJoe1
Just a question before I even think about getting involved in this thread.
Why did you put "Climate Mania" in your thread title.
Maybe a half decent response might include where you stand on climate change.
@no1marauder saidI'm no engineer engineer, but I am sure stats are correct about wind, and all the stats about what they are doing. But, hey, they are too far behind, How can you continue to defend everything that is happening in the world?
Lots of work to be done, but from 2011 to 2021, China reduced its share of energy from fossil fuels from 92% to 82%.
The US dropped only from 84% to 81% in the same period.
And China gets about 15% of their energy from renewables while the US lags at 10.6%.
And the US uses about 2.5 times as much energy per capita as does China. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china
I told my little 13-year old little leaguer to run faster to first base.....he ran faster, but not fast enough.
As they improve their attempts, they are adding coal mines.
Does not compute, your smoke clouds are ikmplodiling......
You sure can go all over the map.
You segue with US using 2.5 more energy, which again I am sure you are right, but that is not a response to the coal findings.
@mghrn55 saidMania exists on both sides. I was presumptuous, sorry, to assume my stance would be well known on the Forum, we have all voiced our opinions many times. Apologies.
@AverageJoe1
Just a question before I even think about getting involved in this thread.
Why did you put "Climate Mania" in your thread title.
Maybe a half decent response might include where you stand on climate change.
As to my stand, I think that there should be no fight, the stats show a warming of sorts. I will side with libs, that as we know it has gone up and down for eons, it will affect us more stringlintly with the growth and evolvement of societies.
But, I think you fellers make it a lot more important , one degree, than all of the fallout and collateral damage you create, and will create, to try to tame the weather and the atmoosphere.
Hey.....the money could be better spent. College for poor people? Oh hell, I shouldn't have said THAT!@
@averagejoe1 saidJust pick one small industry, let's say skiing. The snow totals in the US are down 41% since the 80s, on average, because of climate change, shortening the season by 23 full days. Some resorts now only open a few months.
Mania exists on both sides. I was presumptuous, sorry, to assume my stance would be well known on the Forum, we have all voiced our opinions many times. Apologies.
As to my stand, I think that there should be no fight, the stats show a warming of sorts. I will side with libs, that as we know it has gone up and down for eons, it will affect us more stringlintly with ...[text shortened]... ..the money could be better spent. College for poor people? Oh hell, I shouldn't have said THAT!@
They compensate by adding expensive infrastructure to make new snow, chairlifts, mountains etc. All very pricey. If the climate were changing more slowly, these investments of billions would not be needed.
Our infrastructure was designed and built in accordance with local climates. When climate changes then our needed investment in infrastructure will come with an astronomical price tag. Any effort to slow it down is a good use of dollars.
@wildgrass saidWe are with you in spirit, and what you say, ski slopes impacted by global warming, is probably correct.
Just pick one small industry, let's say skiing. The snow totals in the US are down 41% since the 80s, on average, because of climate change, shortening the season by 23 full days. Some resorts now only open a few months.
They compensate by adding expensive infrastructure to make new snow, chairlifts, mountains etc. All very pricey. If the climate were changing more slowl ...[text shortened]... cture will come with an astronomical price tag. Any effort to slow it down is a good use of dollars.
Has any scientist or commission ever suggested how we can cool everything back to where it was? Can we do it, or is it just a pipe dream, And, at what cost? What programs could we do away with, so as to discover funds for the project? This is a serious question…I mean, pipe dream? Is it possible?
As a point of order, some on the Forum have a penchant for bringing in related matters to one issue, which matters are all well and good, but get the debaters off of the one issue, which, in this case! is over one new coal mine per day. Is there not one liberal here who finds that to be horrible in light of carbon emissions?
I guess that we could segue into car batteries, the expense of making them, mining their ingredients, and worse the expense of disposing of them as the years go on. But that is not what the subject is about
China is Currently Building Over Half of The World’s New Coal-based Power Plants.
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However, in the meantime, China still consumes nearly five times as much coal as India, and nearly six times as much as the United States (the second and third largest coal consumers, respectively), and is building a huge number of new plants. According to Enerdata’s 2021 Yearbook, while global coal consumption dropped more than 4% globally, and 19% in the EU, coal consumption went up in China. In other words, China may be planning to cut coal use in several years’ time, but how high will the base level be before the reductions begin?
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https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/chinese-coal-based-power-plants
And No1, don't waste our time with one of your lectures, complete with math tricks
@no1marauder saidI had told Marsuder the fact that China is building 2 coal plants a day.
China is hardly "doing nothing" regarding climate change.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/china-climate-crisis-renewable-energy-goals
This was his response. I promise I did not edit it. I didn’t need to.