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    A few months ago, Jack Minzey, sent what was to be the final chapter in the long line of books and treatises which he had written


    Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. His interest in Conservative Politics was exceeded only by his intellectual ability.

    This is the last of his works:

    Civil War




    How do civil wars happen?


    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.


    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.


    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.


    That's a civil war.




    There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.


    This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.




    Your very own dictatorship.


    The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.


    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.




    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.


    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played. That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

    When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.




    The Constitution has something to say about that.


    Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

    Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in it if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.


    Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

    That's not a free country.

    It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.

    Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between a conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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    29 Aug '18 14:01
    Originally posted by @whodey
    A few months ago, Jack Minzey, sent what was to be the final chapter in the long line of books and treatises which he had written


    Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. His in ...[text shortened]... war between a conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
    He must have been going senile to write such utter nonsense.

    My condolences to his family.
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    29 Aug '18 14:052 edits
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    He must have been going senile to write such utter nonsense.

    My condolences to his family.
    Not to worry, it was censored and taken off Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter.

    Also, e-mails have been sent out to employers to make sure that such a senile individual will never get hired again.

    Marauder, goose stepping from one thread to another. 😵
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    29 Aug '18 14:071 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Not to worry, it was censored and taken off Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter.

    Also, e-mails have been sent out to employers to make sure that such a senile individual will never get hired again.

    Marauder, goose stepping from one thread to another. 😵
    The right wing pity party is a wonder to behold.

    No reasonable person is buying the BS that nutty ideas like oh about 99% of yours are being "censored". Such crap is pervasive.
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    29 Aug '18 14:311 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    A few months ago, Jack Minzey, sent what was to be the final chapter in the long line of books and treatises which he had written


    Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein. His in ...[text shortened]... war between a conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
    I haven't read through the entire post yet.
    And it is worth a read.
    But the excerpt below is worth a short response.

    "When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war."

    If the election result is perceived to be compromised, then the results should be questioned.
    Not questioning the results to prevent a civil war is not an acceptable course of action.

    There have certainly been far worse compromises of "democratic" elections being tampered with.
    Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Iraq (Sadamm Hussein garnering 99% of the vote).
    And of course the Soviet Union had regular elections, Communists running against Communists.
    Of course nobody questioned those results unless they wanted a vacation in the gulags.

    Donald Trump would not have won if Cohen hadn't paid off 2 women.
    Or if the Russians hadn't interfered in the election.

    What makes America what it is today is that these discussions take place, painful as they may be.

    Sweeping these issues under the carpet doesn't solve the problems.

    That's what makes America great !!
    NOT the red baseball caps !!
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    29 Aug '18 14:35
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The right wing pity party is a wonder to behold.

    No reasonable person is buying the BS that nutty ideas like oh about 99% of yours are being "censored". Such crap is pervasive.
    99% is being censored? Where did you come up with that figure?

    Are you saying that conservatives are not being censored on such sites?
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    29 Aug '18 14:38
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    I haven't read through the entire post yet.
    And it is worth a read.
    But the excerpt below is worth a short response.

    "When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war."

    If the election result is perceived to be compromised, then the results should be questioned.
    Not questioning the results to prevent a civil war is not ...[text shortened]... doesn't solve the problems.

    That's what makes America great !!
    NOT the red baseball caps !!
    Trump would not have won had he not paid off 2 women?

    Really? I thought Trump won the election because of Russian collusion, collusion that has never been proven.

    You do realize what will happen if they try to remove Trump for having sex with 2 women for consensual sex with a consensual pay off from his own money don't you?

    Meanwhile, Congress uses tax payer money to pay for the silence of women who have been assaulted or violated in some way?

    I can hardly wait.

    Bring it on!
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    29 Aug '18 15:30
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Trump would not have won had he not paid off 2 women?

    Really? I thought Trump won the election because of Russian collusion, collusion that has never been proven.

    You do realize what will happen if they try to remove Trump for having sex with 2 women for consensual sex with a consensual pay off from his own money don't you?

    Meanwhile, Congress uses ...[text shortened]... of women who have been assaulted or violated in some way?

    I can hardly wait.

    Bring it on!
    Russian collusion.
    The plausible deniability game has been played for as long as I have been around.
    Keep playing the fact that perhaps the dots can't be traced back to Trump. Yet.
    But the smell is there.
    And it is worse than what was around Nixon.

    As to the 2 women.
    One has to only go back to Clinton and Monica to see how they went after someone for sexual impropriety.
    And CNN was leading the charge, btw.
    You are suggesting 2 standards ?

    When you investigate someone for impropriety, sometimes the scope widens.
    That's a fact of life.

    With Donald, I suspect it will widen further.

    Call it a witch hunt if you like.

    In fact, why don't you Google it ?? 😀
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    29 Aug '18 15:43
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Trump would not have won had he not paid off 2 women?

    Really? I thought Trump won the election because of Russian collusion, collusion that has never been proven.

    You do realize what will happen if they try to remove Trump for having sex with 2 women for consensual sex with a consensual pay off from his own money don't you?

    Meanwhile, Congress uses ...[text shortened]... of women who have been assaulted or violated in some way?

    I can hardly wait.

    Bring it on!
    The Trump campaign admitted collusion a long time ago.
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    29 Aug '18 16:44
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Russian collusion.
    The plausible deniability game has been played for as long as I have been around.
    Keep playing the fact that perhaps the dots can't be traced back to Trump. Yet.
    But the smell is there.
    And it is worse than what was around Nixon.

    As to the 2 women.
    One has to only go back to Clinton and Monica to see how they went after someone fo ...[text shortened]... ll widen further.

    Call it a witch hunt if you like.

    In fact, why don't you Google it ?? 😀
    I don't buy the whole collusion bit. The meeting that Trump's people were accused of attending did not even have to do with anything. It was merely a set up knowing that they just wanted some dirt, like all politicians do, but came up empty.

    But even if there was collusion, what laws were broken? Hillary colluded with the Ukraine by promising them things, next thing you know the leader of the Ukraine comes out saying that Obama is mentally unstable, of course, there is nothing wrong with that, right?

    As for being worse than Nixon, Nixon violated the law by breaking an entering to obtain information to help him politically. Conversely, Obama did the same by breaking into accounts of journalists to try and pin point information himself, just like Nixon, only no one seemed to give a damn.

    As for setting standards about bimbos and pay offs, the standard was set by Bill Clinton. I view his situation worse with the blue dress because Bill was her boss and he perjured himself, which is breaking the law.
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    29 Aug '18 17:25
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I don't buy the whole collusion bit. The meeting that Trump's people were accused of attending did not even have to do with anything. It was merely a set up knowing that they just wanted some dirt, like all politicians do, but came up empty.

    But even if there was collusion, what laws were broken? Hillary colluded with the Ukraine by promising them thin ...[text shortened]... ith the blue dress because Bill was her boss and he perjured himself, which is breaking the law.
    Paying off 2 women to keep the wheels on a presidential campaign has less to do with "bimbos" and more to do with campaign laws violation.

    If the investigation reveals that no laws were broken, then so be it.

    Same for Russian interference.
    Any legal impropriety in that regard is yet to be determined.
    That is what the investigation is for.
    The endless attempts by White House to delegitimize the investigation or even shut it down makes for the optics currently enveloping this presidency.

    Of course, seeing Donald Trump at an election rally on national television urging the Russians to keep digging on Hilary didn't help in that regard either.

    The investigation continues.
    In the best interest of your country.
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    29 Aug '18 17:322 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I don't buy the whole collusion bit. The meeting that Trump's people were accused of attending did not even have to do with anything. It was merely a set up knowing that they just wanted some dirt, like all politicians do, but came up empty.

    But even if there was collusion, what laws were broken? Hillary colluded with the Ukraine by promising them thin ...[text shortened]... ith the blue dress because Bill was her boss and he perjured himself, which is breaking the law.
    Came up empty. Dream on. You just regurgitate the Trumpite propaganda.
    We already know Jr lied to both congress and the FBI.

    He is in twuble, deep doo doo. That play just hasn't played the endgame yet.

    What I wonder is whether, or more likely when, T Sr throws his kids under the bus to save his own sorry ass.

    Wait till Weisellberg starts squealing. He knows where EVERYTHING is buried.

    And Pecker knows a thing or three also but NOTHING like Weisellberg. Pecker can show scandal related stuff, who got paid, maybe babies out of wedlock but none of that disgusting stuff would lead to impeachment unless there was campaign violations which is possible but has to be proven.

    Weissie did Trump's taxes so he KNOWS what is in all those forms Trump refuses to show. And most likely for DAM good reason.

    Manafort also knows a lot that could REALLY damage Trump but so far IS taking the bullet in hopes of getting a hardon, oops, I mean pardon.
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    29 Aug '18 18:30
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Came up empty. Dream on. You just regurgitate the Trumpite propaganda.
    We already know Jr lied to both congress and the FBI.

    He is in twuble, deep doo doo. That play just hasn't played the endgame yet.

    What I wonder is whether, or more likely when, T Sr throws his kids under the bus to save his own sorry ass.

    Wait till Weisellberg starts squea ...[text shortened]... damage Trump but so far IS taking the bullet in hopes of getting a hardon, oops, I mean pardon.
    Any day now.................
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    29 Aug '18 19:10
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Any day now.................
    With a slew of Trump administration officials already indicted or convicted and more surely to come, Donald Trump personally implicated in felonies and the Trump campaign openly admitting to having sought the aid of a hostile foreign government in winning the election, one does wonder what would have to happen for that day to arrive. I would suspect that even if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens and told you Trump's a criminal, you'd still cry yourself to sleep, sobbing "no collusion, no collusion... but her e-mails..."
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    29 Aug '18 21:01
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    With a slew of Trump administration officials already indicted or convicted and more surely to come, Donald Trump personally implicated in felonies and the Trump campaign openly admitting to having sought the aid of a hostile foreign government in winning the election, one does wonder what would have to happen for that day to arrive. I would suspect th ...[text shortened]... l, you'd still cry yourself to sleep, sobbing "no collusion, no collusion... but her e-mails..."
    Any month now...................
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