17 Nov 12
Former Vice President Al Gore called for a carbon tax to be part of the "fiscal cliff" negotiations in the lame-duck session of Congress.
Gore, a longtime supporter of the tax, said the extra revenue could be used to lower tax rates.
"It will be difficult for sure but we can back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time," Gore said in an interview with The Guardian. "One way is with a carbon tax.”
"The most direct policy solution to the climate crisis is a carbon tax, offset by reductions in taxes on wages," Gore said. "By including the carbon tax in the solution to the fiscal cliff we can [get] away from the climate cliff."
"I think all who look at these circumstances should agree that President Obama does have a mandate, should he choose to use it, to act boldly to solve the climate crisis, to begin solving it," Gore said.
Gore also said it would be “insane” to open the Keystone XL oil pipeline and called tar sands the dirtiest source of liquid fuel.
He said his focus is on the broad “climate crisis.”
“It's not that complicated ultimately. We have to put a price on carbon,” he said.
Personally I wish this fool would just go away.
Anybody care to weigh in on Al's idea to "back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time" ?
17 Nov 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonCap & Trade, the heart of which is a carbon tax, was originally a Republican idea. Funny how when Republicans introduce ideas such as Cap & Trade, the DREAM Act and an Individual Mandate it's largely uncontroversial.
[b]Former Vice President Al Gore called for a carbon tax to be part of the "fiscal cliff" negotiations in the lame-duck session of Congress.
Gore, a longtime supporter of the tax, said the extra revenue could be used to lower tax rates.
"It will be difficult for sure but we can back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the s ...[text shortened]... o "back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time" ?[/b][/b]
But when Democrats get on board and adopt their ideas it's suddenly some ubber Maxist world order plot.
17 Nov 12
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI have no idea what your point is.
Cap & Trade, the heart of which is a carbon tax, was originally a Republican idea. Funny how when Republicans introduce ideas such as Cap & Trade, the DREAM Act and an Individual Mandate it's largely uncontroversial.
But when Democrats get on board and adopt their ideas it's suddenly some ubber Maxist world order plot.
I asked,
"Anybody care to weigh in on Al's idea to "back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time" ?"
When did I mention a "ubber Maxist world order plot" ?! 🙄
18 Nov 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonI don't really see one thing having much to do with the other and a cap and trade system probably won't work, but it would be nice to see environmentalism and climate change get back into the US political debate after having been all but ignored in this election cycle.
[b]Former Vice President Al Gore called for a carbon tax to be part of the "fiscal cliff" negotiations in the lame-duck session of Congress.
Gore, a longtime supporter of the tax, said the extra revenue could be used to lower tax rates.
"It will be difficult for sure but we can back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the s ...[text shortened]... o "back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time" ?[/b][/b]
18 Nov 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonI think Al Gore put a carbon based stain on a hotel maids leg against her will.
[b]Former Vice President Al Gore called for a carbon tax to be part of the "fiscal cliff" negotiations in the lame-duck session of Congress.
Gore, a longtime supporter of the tax, said the extra revenue could be used to lower tax rates.
"It will be difficult for sure but we can back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the s ...[text shortened]... o "back away from the fiscal cliff and the climate cliff at the same time" ?[/b][/b]
- Joined
- 29 Dec 08
- Moves
- 6788
19 Nov 12
Originally posted by sh76Yes but it would add another debating point to the revenue slash spending debate.
I don't really see one thing having much to do with the other and a cap and trade system probably won't work, but it would be nice to see environmentalism and climate change get back into the US political debate after having been all but ignored in this election cycle.
19 Nov 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadProbably because Al Gore lives in a 55,000 square foot mansion. With Tipper. And the lockbox. And only Tipper and Ah will have the key.
Why? Do you work in the fossil fuel industry?
Look how far we've come. Remember when Tipper, the Democrat, held hearings on Capitol Hill about Satanic messages in KISS songs?
Seems to me that the pattern is this: the party that tries to impose its morals on the other is the one with its nose against the glass.
19 Nov 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672So as a fossil fuel waster he will presumably be taxed?
Probably because Al Gore lives in a 55,000 square foot mansion.
With Tipper. And the lockbox. And only Tipper and Ah will have the key.
Now you've lost me. Who is Tipper?
Look how far we've come. Remember when Tipper, the Democrat, held hearings on Capitol Hill about Satanic messages in KISS songs?
Sorry I am not american and have no idea what you are talking about.
Seems to me that the pattern is this: the party that tries to impose its morals on the other is the one with its nose against the glass.
Whose talking about morals. I thought we were talking about carbon tax and why you oppose it. Do you oppose it, or do you just dislike Al Gore? I'm no Al Gore fan, but I don't see anything seriously wrong with a Carbon tax. After all, it makes more sense to me than subsidizing fossil fuels over renewables as we currently do. I don't understand why anyone would not support a carbon tax unless there is a genuine problem with it, or they have interests in the Carbon business. I am trying to establish which is the case for you.
19 Nov 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadTipper is Al's wife. She is most famous for outrageous bouffant hairdos and not liking heavy metal music. She held congressional hearings because she hated heavy metal. Google "Bush Gore Debate Saturday Night Live" for the "lockbox" thing.
So as a fossil fuel waster he will presumably be taxed?
[b]With Tipper. And the lockbox. And only Tipper and Ah will have the key.
Now you've lost me. Who is Tipper?
Look how far we've come. Remember when Tipper, the Democrat, held hearings on Capitol Hill about Satanic messages in KISS songs?
Sorry I am not american and have no idea ...[text shortened]... have interests in the Carbon business. I am trying to establish which is the case for you.[/b]
A carbon tax makes nuclear power economically viable. It hurts a lot of economic sectors though. I haven't decided. Al Gore, however, is a fool.
19 Nov 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672Tipper was never in Congress, so I'm quite at a loss to understand how she held congressional hearings.
Tipper is Al's wife. She is most famous for outrageous bouffant hairdos and not liking heavy metal music. She held congressional hearings because she hated heavy metal. Google "Bush Gore Debate Saturday Night Live" for the "lockbox" thing.
A carbon tax makes nuclear power economically viable. It hurts a lot of economic sectors though. I haven't decided. Al Gore, however, is a fool.
Her and Al split several years ago BTW.
20 Nov 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672Lots of people are fools. But that doesn't automatically make everything they say wrong. Many fools pass on wisdom from others that is not necessarily foolish. If you are forced to attack the speaker (and his wife) it suggests you can't attack the argument, and worse, that you have a hidden motive for attacking the argument that you cannot disclose.
Al Gore, however, is a fool.
The OP has Gores name in bold, calls him a fool, wishes he would go away, etc. Its clearly an attempt to personalize what is in reality an important issue that everyone world wide should be discussing.
My personal opinion is that we should tax both Carbon and nuclear. Since I live in a carbon importing country with plenty of viable local alternatives (if they were supported by well placed taxes), I believe it would ultimately help our economy.
20 Nov 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhy tax nuclear? If you're worried about safety, ban it. Otherwise, encourage it. I don't get what taxing it and thus depressing the economy by taxing every consistent reliable and cheap producer of energy will accomplish.
Lots of people are fools. But that doesn't automatically make everything they say wrong. Many fools pass on wisdom from others that is not necessarily foolish. If you are forced to attack the speaker (and his wife) it suggests you can't attack the argument, and worse, that you have a hidden motive for attacking the argument that you cannot disclose.
The ...[text shortened]... (if they were supported by well placed taxes), I believe it would ultimately help our economy.
21 Nov 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672She "testified" at the hearings. Ultimately resulted in the rating system for albums (CDs). I didn't like her back then.
Tipper is Al's wife. She is most famous for outrageous bouffant hairdos and not liking heavy metal music. She held congressional hearings because she hated heavy metal. Google "Bush Gore Debate Saturday Night Live" for the "lockbox" thing.
A carbon tax makes nuclear power economically viable. It hurts a lot of economic sectors though. I haven't decided. Al Gore, however, is a fool.