Originally posted by VargSo offer them treatment if they'll take it and prosecute them for "using and abusing" people.
Interesting.
However, even if the need to steal to feed the habit is reduced, it won't alter the fact that to a junky, other people are an irrelevance to be used and abused as they wish.
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Originally posted by VargThe actual drugs themselves are very cheap to produce. Legalization equals increased competition in an open market which will lead to a fall in prices.
How will legalising drugs make them more affordable?
If the prices fall as well as the stigma associated with taking drugs, why would drugged individual A see the need for restraint. If A was into heroin and cocaine for instance, what would stop them burning out and simply fading away?
Keeping drugs illegal adds a dynamic of struggle for would be junkie A, which at least gives A something other than a seductive blissed out reality to contemplate, which in some significant ways would disable the survival skills needed if A was ever to overcome their addiction.
Remove the difficulties and inequities associated with procuring hard drugs and you have the prospect of lambs being led to the slaughter as people who are probably lacking in resilience and toughness are deluged by the overwhelming intoxicating powers of some of the heavier drugs.
Originally posted by kmax87So the world is a safer place with drug crime the way it is.
Remove the difficulties and inequities associated with procuring hard drugs and you have the prospect of lambs being led to the slaughter as people who are probably lacking in resilience and toughness are deluged by the overwhelming intoxicating powers of some of the heavier drugs.
Originally posted by Bosse de NagePersonally I think its barbaric that we criminalize people with a susceptibility for substance abuse. That by our squeamishness to allow someone to lead less of a 'productive' life as determined by some culturally weighted criteria, we would rather live with the seediness, the crime, and the death of ordinary people rather than accept that drugs need not only be tobacco and alcohol.
Not if you organise safe shooting galleries with "life-guards" poised to swoop in at the first sign of overdose...Every shopping mall should have one.
Simply because the profits involved insure the corruption of every aspect of the trade in narcotics, such that if you don't overdose you will probably end up in jail for dealing to support your habit and if you survive that, the quality of the drugs you have been taking would have most probably destroyed your liver and other vital organs making your life miserable.
If it were a choice between the lesser of two evils I would choose harm minimization over zero tolerance any day.
Originally posted by kmax87I have no problem with people leading a non-productive life, none at all.
Personally I think its barbaric that we criminalize people with a susceptibility for substance abuse. That by our squeamishness to allow someone to lead less of a 'productive' life as determined by some culturally weighted criteria,
I someone wants to lock themself in a room and sit in morphone induced stupour for the rest of their life good luck to them.
But they should at least be self sufficient.
The only "culturally weighted criteria" I apply to them is that tax payers shouldn't have to fund this lifestyle choice.
Originally posted by kmax87When you legalize drugs, don't forget to "legalize" antibiotics! I am sick of having to pay a physician $40 every time I want to take one.
The actual drugs themselves are very cheap to produce. Legalization equals increased competition in an open market which will lead to a fall in prices.
If the prices fall as well as the stigma associated with taking drugs, why would drugged individual A see the need for restraint. If A was into heroin and cocaine for instance, what would stop them burning ...[text shortened]... and toughness are deluged by the overwhelming intoxicating powers of some of the heavier drugs.
In fact, let's just make all drugs available without a prescription.
It would be the ultimate free market economy, and I am sure it would bring down the costs of health care a lot -- imagine eliminating 90% of office vists.
Originally posted by spruce112358are you joking?
When you legalize drugs, don't forget to "legalize" antibiotics! I am sick of having to pay a physician $40 every time I want to take one.
In fact, let's just make all drugs available without a prescription.
It would be the ultimate free market economy, and I am sure it would bring down the costs of health care a lot -- imagine eliminating 90% of office vists.
are you not aware of MRSA, let alone the effects of antibiotics upon gut flora and the immune system.
as for the side effects etc of other prescription medicines...
i think the best way to approach addicts is to give them their fix on prescription (and rehab when desired), combined with an approach which stops it looking cool or chic (or one of the better options) to the rest of the population.
whilst substance abuse will never be eradicated, at least addicts will not have to steal for their fix, reducing the impact upon society
Originally posted by london nickWe could lock them up and give them what they want - their fix.
whilst substance abuse will never be eradicated, at least addicts will not have to steal for their fix, reducing the impact upon society
That way, apart from the cost of keeping them, they would have very little impact on society.
Originally posted by london nickSo I can get cocaine on prescription when I want? What physician is going to write that prescription, by the way? What is the indication for using cocaine -- "I want to get high?"
are you joking?
are you not aware of MRSA, let alone the effects of antibiotics upon gut flora and the immune system.
as for the side effects etc of other prescription medicines...
i think the best way to approach addicts is to give them their fix on prescription (and rehab when desired), combined with an approach which stops it looking cool or ...[text shortened]... dicated, at least addicts will not have to steal for their fix, reducing the impact upon society
Seems to me, knocking out my gut flora is more harmless and should not be as heavily regulated.
Originally posted by london nickand to get this "prescription" how are they going to pay for it. are you going to pay it for them or are the tax payers paying for them to get wasted????
are you joking?
are you not aware of MRSA, let alone the effects of antibiotics upon gut flora and the immune system.
as for the side effects etc of other prescription medicines...
i think the best way to approach addicts is to give them their fix on prescription (and rehab when desired), combined with an approach which stops it looking cool or ...[text shortened]... dicated, at least addicts will not have to steal for their fix, reducing the impact upon society
Originally posted by Vargtrue, but keeping them locked up would be alot more expensive, and also criminalising some otherwise functional people.
We could lock them up and give them what they want - their fix.
That way, apart from the cost of keeping them, they would have very little impact on society.
i agree with an earlier post of yours where people should be self sufficient, but many addicts aren't and as such society should try to minimise their impact.
the cost of prescription is the cheapest way to do this (as long as every attempt is made to reduce new addicts), alongside free rehab services
Originally posted by spruce112358admittedly more consideration would be needed regarding drugs prescribed. cocaine is more expensive (fewer poor kids can do it regularly) and is less addictive than some, so perhaps would not be available.
So I can get cocaine on prescription when I want? What physician is going to write that prescription, by the way? What is the indication for using cocaine -- "I want to get high?"
Seems to me, knocking out my gut flora is more harmless and should not be as heavily regulated.
crack and heroin are different matters, and should be available only to registered addicts.
antibiotic abuse has led to dangerous resistant strains of bacteria including TB and MRSA.
i agree with looking after own your health, but healthy lifestyle not self prescribing pharmaceuticals