@shavixmir saidI agree with this 100% but, define truth. i.e what is the lie. Catching someone knowingly maliciously lying should have consequences but? again, define lie? Not always obvious.
Free speech is not a right to lie.
“Free speech” is the right to verbally and and in written form oppose measures taken by the standing government.
So, it’s the right to say: “I disagree with Biden’s policies, because…”
That’s what your first amendment is about.
Not spreading debunked garbage or insulting people or lying.
Different well meaning people have different "truths" that must be allowed to be aired without fear.
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@jimmac saidSpeak your own truth is lib-speak.
I agree with this 100% but, define truth. i.e what is the lie. Catching someone knowingly maliciously lying should have consequences but? again, define lie? Not always obvious.
Different well meaning people have different "truths" that must be allowed to be aired without fear.
What truth is has been debated for centuries, but the simplest version is probably "that which has not been proven false." It's not a subject-intrinsic matter. Truth changes over time, but it doesn't vary from individual to individual. In science, this also carries the requirement that the truth must be conceptually falsifiable. In that, technically the statement that "we're living a simulation" is not false as it hasn't been proven, but it's not true either because it can't be falsified.
You're talking about fear of repercussions. But most conservatives are whining about blatantly false information being deleted from twitter.
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@averagejoe1 said''....the evidence is every dam where......''
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Before you fellers go off on a tangent, please get it, that, it is true that the liberals used to champion the freedom of speech. Now, though,, it is clearly the conservatives defending the First Amendment (big time) while the progressives push for government censorship on speech THAT THEY DON'T LIKE!!
No 'links' necessary, the evidence is every dam where.
Could you please give us
one, JUST ONE, example?
BTY, you spelled 'damn,' wrong.
@wildgrass saidI suppose the truth may be separated from fact, who knows, a bit deep for me. I tend to think of them as one of the same. If I say that I saw something happen, and I did, I am speaking the truth.i.e, I am not lying. That does not make it a fact.
Speak your own truth is lib-speak.
What truth is has been debated for centuries, but the simplest version is probably "that which has not been proven false." It's not a subject-intrinsic matter. Truth changes over time, but it doesn't vary from individual to individual. In science, this also carries the requirement that the truth must be conceptually falsifiable. In that ...[text shortened]... ns. But most conservatives are whining about blatantly false information being deleted from twitter.
If I hold my hand out and say, " I have a coin in my hand", but do not, That is a lie. "Not proving it false" will not change that fact.
Quote--"that which has not been proven false."- end quote. "Not" proving it false changes nothing.
I would suspect that truth, in impracticable terms, has a level of subjectivity.
@jimmac saidYeah, again that's lib-speak. You have a perfectly normal conversation with someone but, according to their 'truth', they found it to be a traumatizing microaggression. If our society allows there to be multiple truths, we can kiss law and order goodbye.
I suppose the truth may be separated from fact, who knows, a bit deep for me. I tend to think of them as one of the same. If I say that I saw something happen, and I did, I am speaking the truth.i.e, I am not lying. That does not make it a fact.
If I hold my hand out and say, " I have a coin in my hand", but do not, That is a lie. "Not proving it false" will not change that ...[text shortened]... e changes nothing.
I would suspect that truth, in impracticable terms, has a level of subjectivity.
Free speech is legal. There's nothing stopping these whiny a** conservatives from spouting off about how Antifa peed in their rose garden. But free speech does not mean that speech has no societal consequences. What Josh Hawley said about his book deal should be censured in the Senate. He either doesn't know what free speech is (i.e. he's dumb) or he's lying.
“My truth….” eeeeeks.
I hate it when people say that.
What they mean is “my opinion…”
There are facts (basically pleonasms - tautologies of a sort). These do not change.
There are scientific facts (facts which are proven within the boundaries of what is known at a certain space and time). These can change.
There is truth. The belief that one is correct. This is based upon personal perception. So not necessarily fact.
There is truth. Connected to fact and scientific fact.
@averagejoe1 saidWe're talking about free speech here, not the dozens upon dozens of times that Roe v Wade was deemed constitutional.
Watch out, Wild. You have opened the door. Now you have to tell us all that the Constitution says Not A Word about abortion.
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@vivify saidShut up, you. And I'm not a member of Congress, so that's completely allowed.
When Twitter or any other company blocks conservative misinformation, that is not a violation of your "free speech".
The right to free speech means that the the government can't punish for sharing ideas, so long as those ideas don't incite harm or slander (knowingly lie about) others.
Unless you're being formally charged for speech that isn't hurting or slandering anyone, stop whining about "free speech".
Or get a life. Whatever tiller you might think you have a hand on is probably just something Cyril Kornbluth invented in the 1950s to pacify hoi polloi and offer them at least the illusion of control.
And may we all drift as we roil toward more provident shores.
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