Debate Loose Change

Here is the "Final Cut" Watch it all before debating the issues.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477&q=Loose%20change-%20Final%20cut%20site:video.google.com&total=42&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

I know there are alot of skeptics out there, so, if you really do not believe, watch the documentary and take notes on why you think the information presented is either incomplete, faulty or just plain inaccurate. Thank you.

take it to debates, spanky.

Originally posted by ChessJester
Here is the "Final Cut" Watch it all before debating the issues.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477&q=Loose%20change-%20Final%20cut%20site:video.google.com&total=42&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

I know there are alot of skeptics out there, so, if you really do not believe, watch the documentary and take notes on w ...[text shortened]... nk the information presented is either incomplete, faulty or just plain inaccurate. Thank you.

Originally posted by ChessJester
Here is the "Final Cut" Watch it all before debating the issues.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6499230265406230477&q=Loose%20change-%20Final%20cut%20site:video.google.com&total=42&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

I know there are alot of skeptics out there, so, if you really do not believe, watch the documentary and take notes on w ...[text shortened]... nk the information presented is either incomplete, faulty or just plain inaccurate. Thank you.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Originally posted by uzless
this has been debunked over and over in here and elsewhere on the net

There is no rational argument that can be offered to those that beleive in the Inside Job Conspiracy, and we will end up with a huge thread and lots of cat-fights if we pursue this.

Paranoia is a very destructive thing.
Simple folk can be easily duped by the mere words "Yeah, but...", Though this is, of course, true for whichever camp in which you sit.

What does surprise me is that no one seems to remember the Al Q threat following 911 to also seek to "destroy from within".

For me, The Conspirators aid Al Q in this task.
There's an awful lot of dissent brewing out there.

So I watched the whole two hours and ten minutes, and I must admit I've seen worse (and better) documentaries. That said, two things come to mind:

1) Hannah Arendt said that, among other things, it is a tactic of totalitarian leaders to do things that are so horrendous that the people who believe the truth about them will appear crazy and the people who deny them will appear the most reasonable.

The most obvious example being the NAZI death camps. While most of the Western world already believed that Hitler was evil for invading Poland and waging unprovoked war in Europe, few believed, until it was proven after the war when Auschwitz and other death camps were liberated, that even Hitler was capable of such unspeakable crimes.

For that reason, I hesitate to dismiss 9/11 conspiracy theories too quickly. Hitler and Stalin have proven that modern leaders are capable of far worse things than faking 9/11. One can argue, as the movie does, that the Bush government has been careless enough with human life (in Iraq) and human rights (at home and abroad), that a homegrown 9/11 seems less implausible.

To put it simply: it's a fallacy to reject the 9/11 conspiritors because their view is extreme. But then the question is: is their view true?

2) The most shocking thing to me about the documentary is to learn how little I actually know about what happened on 9/11. Since this is generally understood as one of the defining moments of our time, you'ld think that we would all have a pretty good idea of who these people were and how the whole thing transpired. I mean, I didn't even know that other trade center buildings and the Deutsche Bank building were damaged as well. All I really knew was that most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

For that reason, I have to reserve my judgement on the "truth" question, because I don't think I have a good enough grasp of the state's version of what took place.

That said, the film raised interesting questions. I'm guessing this mystery will probably be solved on the same day that everyone agrees on who shot Kennedy.

Originally posted by bjohnson407
So I watched the whole two hours and ten minutes, and I must admit I've seen worse (and better) documentaries. That said, two things come to mind:

1) Hannah Arendt said that, among other things, it is a tactic of totalitarian leaders to do things that are so horrendous that the people who believe the truth about them will appear crazy and the people w ...[text shortened]... stery will probably be solved on the same day that everyone agrees on who shot Kennedy.

Originally posted by uzless
Just go to Snopes.com and see the debunk there.

Or google "Loose Change review" and read the links.

Originally posted by uzless
Just go to Snopes.com and see the debunk there.

Or google "Loose Change review" and read the links.

This thread makes it seem like a very black and white issue. There are various degrees in complicity the US government could be capable of that would make them accordingly more or less guilty:
Here are a few for example:

1. 911 came as a total surprise to everyone in the American Gov at every level.
2. The gov. knew about a possible attack brewing sometime in the horizon but its specifics were not known.
3. They knew something was happening that day but didn't know what or where.
4. They knew what was going to happen but did nothing to stop it because it provided justifications for governments agenda (or whatever reason)
5. Or the most extreme, Bush and his cronies ordered the 911 attacks.

It isn't simply a conspiracy or not a conspiracy...like anything there are complications. Nobody on this sight who has claimed to be sure of their opinion really knows everything that happened, which of course is the only way to really be sure of what happened. That having been said, the fact that people don't know more is in itself suspicious.

Assuming it was Muslim terrorists (who were very happy themselves to claim responsibility) there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Originally posted by The Dude 84
This thread makes it seem like a very black and white issue. There are various degrees in complicity the US government could be capable of that would make them accordingly more or less guilty:
Here are a few for example:

1. 911 came as a total surprise to everyone in the American Gov at every level.
2. The gov. knew about a possible attack brewing ...[text shortened]... were very happy themselves to claim responsibility) there are a lot of unanswered questions.