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Destruction or transfer of wealth?

Destruction or transfer of wealth?

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Originally posted by Seitse
I'm so glad my savings are all in gold and safely placed in my mouth.
damnit! why didn't I think of that before?

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Yes, but that doesn't mean society as a whole got poorer.
what about the long-term effects, and the rise in umemployment that is happening right now?

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Originally posted by generalissimo
what about the long-term effects, and the rise in umemployment that is happening right now?
Unemployment is not really caused by recessions, it's more of an organizational problem. It's always better to do something than to sit at home and do nothing.

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Originally posted by quackquack
A transfer of wealth means the money goes to someone else. It is generally considered destruction of wealth because the entire sum total of wealth decreases.
and it's the last buyers' wealth that was destroyed.

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Originally posted by quackquack
It is a pretty standard definition of a destruction of unrealized wealth. For example, if a house was worth $1M and now it is worth $600,000. It is probably more accurate to say you lost $400,000 of value than to say you lost nothing because you still have the house.
yeah, and that $400,000 was cold, hard cash. or instruments representing such. it wasn't imaginary.

but not destroyed, i guess; the seller is walking away with it.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
yeah, and that $400,000 was cold, hard cash. or instruments representing such. it wasn't imaginary.

but not destroyed, i guess; the seller is walking away with it.
Nothing is "cold hard cash" until you get "cold hard cash".

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Originally posted by quackquack
It is a pretty standard definition of a destruction of unrealized wealth. For example, if a house was worth $1M and now it is worth $600,000. It is probably more accurate to say you lost $400,000 of value than to say you lost nothing because you still have the house.
A house can be overvalued or undervalued but the amount of wealth contained in the house stays the same. Except for wear and tear.

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
A house can be overvalued or undervalued but the amount of wealth contained in the house stays the same. Except for wear and tear.
Everything in your house can be overvalued or undervalued too. But if your stuff used to be worth more and now it is worth less you have an unrealized loss.

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Originally posted by quackquack
Everything in your house can be overvalued or undervalued too. But if your stuff used to be worth more and now it is worth less you have an unrealized loss.
Only if you sell it when it is undervalued. You can pay too much for anything and have an unrealized loss. The true value is unchanged.

Supply and demand might change, but the cost of production might not. Remember Cabbage Patch Dolls? If you pay $200.00 for a doll that only costs $10.00 to make, how much is the value? I say it is $10.00 but it may be hard for me to convince that to someone that sold a doll for $300.00 to a rich guy with a spoiled child.

Just because you bought a doll for $300.00 does not make it worth that much. Production cost and market value are two different things.

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Value is a subjective thing. There is no such thing as "true value".

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
Only if you sell it when it is undervalued. You can pay too much for anything and have an unrealized loss. The true value is unchanged.

Supply and demand might change, but the cost of production might not. Remember Cabbage Patch Dolls? If you pay $200.00 for a doll that only costs $10.00 to make, how much is the value? I say it is $10.00 but it may be ...[text shortened]... .00 does not make it worth that much. Production cost and market value are two different things.
The fact that somebody paid 3 bills proves it has a value of 3 bills. Value is not production cost. Value is what someone will pay for any given concept. Is Barbra Striesdan tickets worth 250? Not to me but they are to someone else.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Value is a subjective thing. There is no such thing as "true value".
I disagree. If you look at matters from an utilitarian viewpoint, there is in fact a true value of products and services.

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Originally posted by cheshirecatstevens
The fact that somebody paid 3 bills proves it has a value of 3 bills. Value is not production cost. Value is what someone will pay for any given concept. Is Barbra Striesdan tickets worth 250? Not to me but they are to someone else.
Value and price are not the same thing, otherwise bubbles could never exist.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I disagree. If you look at matters from an utilitarian viewpoint, there is in fact a true value of products and services.
Value is something to be assessed by individuals.

Forcing a particular value on your fellow man is immoral.

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Originally posted by Wajoma
Value is something to be assessed by individuals.

Forcing a particular value on your fellow man is immoral.
I didn't say value cannot differ from person to person, obviously a book on physics has more value to me than to a construction worker, but that doesn't mean the price reflects its value one to one or that it does not have a definite value for me or for the construction worker.