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11 Apr 23
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11 Apr 23
@AverageJoe1
So basically the democrats will control California into perpetuity.
Scary article.
@averagejoe1 saidThere's a paywall so we can't read the article and it's an opinion piece anyway.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-democrats-ballot-initiatives-law-voters-isaac-bryan-progressives-72648142?mod=hp_opin_pos_2#cxrecs_s
Sonhouse!!! It seems the dems are the ones killing democracy. Just sayin'
https://fox40.com/inside-california-politics/asm-isaac-bryan-explains-effort-to-change-part-of-cas-referendum-process/
AB 421 aims to make it more difficult for corporations and special interests to mislead voters when challenging state laws. Part of that proposal includes a mandate that at least 10 percent of signature gatherers be unpaid volunteers.
This is an effort to limit the power corporations have over legislation. Naturally, conservatives will hate anything that keep Big Business from impacting laws.
11 Apr 23
@vivify said"Naturally, conservatives will hate anything that keep Big Business from impacting laws."
There's a paywall so we can't read the article and it's an opinion piece anyway.
https://fox40.com/inside-california-politics/asm-isaac-bryan-explains-effort-to-change-part-of-cas-referendum-process/
[quote]AB 421 aims to make it more difficult for corporations and special interests to mislead voters when challenging state laws. Part of that proposal includes a mandate ...[text shortened]... egislation. Naturally, conservatives will hate anything that keep Big Business from impacting laws.
Nope, my money is on "conservative dumbass reads only the clickbait title then comes here to whine"
What you're saying implies they actually did some reading and came to a conclusion through some amount of reasoning (even if flawed).
@zahlanzi saidI'm sure they didn't read it.
"Naturally, conservatives will hate anything that keep Big Business from impacting laws."
Nope, my money is on "conservative dumbass reads only the clickbait title then comes here to whine"
What you're saying implies they actually did some reading and came to a conclusion through some amount of reasoning (even if flawed).
It only appeared in their conservative bubble because these lawmakers are restricting the power Big Business has over lawmaking. Whatever right-wing blog or Facebook post they got this from tried to spin this law into an attack on democracy.
If not for the anti-capitalist move of the California Dems Av Joe would've never known about it.
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11 Apr 23
@zahlanzi saidBoth. Both is good.
"Naturally, conservatives will hate anything that keep Big Business from impacting laws."
Nope, my money is on "conservative dumbass reads only the clickbait title then comes here to whine"
In any case, California is far too large for direct democracy. At that scale - even at the scale of The Netherlands - what you need is a representative democracy.
And, above all, no corporate buy-out of either legislators or electorate.
@shallow-blue saidWe’ve always had direct democracy. That’s what “California propositions” are. The fact or possibility that corporations might not be able to buy votes does not take away from this fact.
Both. Both is good.
In any case, California is far too large for direct democracy. At that scale - even at the scale of The Netherlands - what you need is a representative democracy.
And, above all, no corporate buy-out of either legislators or electorate.
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12 Apr 23
@earl-of-trumps saidCapitalism is great, isn't it? It loves free information... as little of it as is needed to keep the plebs misinformed.
I can't get into WSJ articles anymore as I have used up my free articles.