05 Dec 08
The Euopean Court of Human Rights has ruled that DNA samples and the DNA fingerprint of non-convicted persons should removed.
from the database.
I absolutely agree. This treatment of innocent British citizens viz: taking DNA samples from arrested, but innocent, subjects and storing that DNA and the fingerprint profile is an absolute disgrace and clearly a violation of human rights.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticEver heard of due process? Innocent until proven guilty?
so what, if you do nothing illegal it shouldn't matter.
Ever heard of cases in which a person fit a description and was arrested, only to be released immediately due to mistaken identity?
Civil rights?
Invasion of privacy?
Or should we surrender ALL authority and control to Big Brother?
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticFollow that line and you´ll quite rapidly find that having opinions becomes an arrestable offence - after all if you don´t believe the state is acting in your interests then you must have something to hide.
I think it should be compulsory for every persons DNA to be taken, the way i see it the only people who would whinge about it is someone who has something to hide.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticI tell you what, go down to the Police Station tomorrow and offer them 10 mL of your blood / some saliva and ask them to put your DNA onto the data base. Then you will be contributing to the database you so seem to love.
I think it should be compulsory for every persons DNA to be taken, the way i see it the only people who would whinge about it is someone who has something to hide.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticIncorrect. DNA fingerprints are not unique. Juries are provided with the wrong probability. In addition, there is serious risk of framing people - there has already been one identified case in the USA where another person planted some one else's DNA at the crime scene.
so what, if you do nothing illegal it shouldn't matter.
05 Dec 08
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Originally posted by znshoOne case VS how many?
Incorrect. DNA fingerprints are not unique. Juries are provided with the wrong probability. In addition, there is serious risk of framing people - there has already been one identified case in the USA where another person planted some one else's DNA at the crime scene.
I'm not just saying finger prints in the UK if you get arrested you have a oral swab or hair sample taken.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticOf course, as time goes on, there will be many, many more cases. This guy got caught. How many have already got away with the framing.
One case VS how many?
Are you going to the Police Station tomorrow to let them take a sample and have your DNA profile put on the database? After all, that's what you want and you seeem to think there would be nothing to fear if you have done nothing wrong.
In fact, you are seriously mistaken on that last point.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticI will answer your question if you answer mine.
Again this is the way is see it...
cons... You feel like your civil liberties have been infringed
pros... The number of rapes decreases.
which is more important to you?
Will you voluntarily give a DNA sample to the police, allow a fingerprint be taken of that DNA and have the results, under name, address etc on the database?
05 Dec 08
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Originally posted by znshoAlready have, when i was younger and i couldn't care less what they do with it.
I will answer your question if you answer mine.
Will you voluntarily give a DNA sample to the police, allow a fingerprint be taken of that DNA and have the results, under name, address etc on the database?
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if they wiped it off and asked me for it again i wouldn't moan.(as long as it didn't cost me anything..different story then)
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticI am not asking you if they asked for it. I asked will you VOLUNTARILY provide a DNA sample in full knowledge that your data will be stored on a computer?
Already have, when i was younger and i couldn't care less what they do with it.
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if they wiped it off and asked me for it again i wouldn't moan.
By the way, you should be worried that your DNA profile in on the database. As I say, DNA fingerprints are not unique.
05 Dec 08
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Originally posted by znshoYes i would VOLUNTARILY provide a DNA sample. finger prints may not be unique but a cell sample is.
I am not asking you if they asked for it. I asked will you VOLUNTARILY provide a DNA sample in full knowledge that your data will be stored on a computer?
By the way, you should be worried that your DNA profile in on the database. As I say, DNA fingerprints are not unique.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by leestaticOK, then, I assume that wiithin the next couple ofdays you are going to walk into a Police station, without being asked to, and volunteer your DNA to them with the words 'The DNA database is so important that I wish you to take a sample and put me on the database'.
Yes i would VOLUNTARILY provide a DNA sample. finger prints may not be unique but a cell sample is.
Please let me know when you have done this.
I am not sure what you mean by cell sample. DNA fingerprints are not unique.
In answer to your earlier question, yes civil liberties are more important than less rapes because the infringment of our human rights is so wide spread it is causing a great deal of stress and anger. In any case, there is no evidence at all that the DNA database decreases the incidence of rape. It might help find rapists, but equally it will help convict innocent people via the mistaken belief that presence of DNA proves guilt. It does nothing of the sort. It proves that somehow DNA with a particular fingerprint got onto to the alleged raped person. The sex act itself may well have been consensual but a malicious allegation has been made.