I've read that characteristics of a good leader include the following. I've given God, as we know him now days, a rating for each chacteristic. What ratings would you give ?
1 = poor / don't know, 2 = OK, 3 = good
Character - 1
Charisma - 1
Commitment - 1
Communication - 1
Competence - 1
Courage - 1
Discernment - 1
Focus - 1
Generosity - 2
Initiative - 3
Listening - 1
Passion - 1
Positive attitude - 1
Problem solving - 1
Relationships - 1
Responsibility - 1
Security - 1
Self discipline - 1
Servanthood - 1
Teachability - 1
Vision - 2
Originally posted by geniusIt's not about casual observers vs people who know anything about god. It's about whether he (or she or it or an idea) would qualify as a good leader (with one consequence being that we would more than know about god). Yes, I gave god a 1 for listening because a good listener shows that they're listening. 1 = poor / don't know.
"God, as we know him nowdays"
are you talking about the casual observer, or someone who actually knows anything about god? a one for listening? jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
okay-lets look at jesus,
1 = poor / don't know, 2 = OK, 3 = good
Character - 3
Charisma - 3 he drew lotsa chrowds!
Commitment - 3 he served us until he died
Communication - 3 he talked a lot-the sermon on the mount. he also does the odd vision, send a few angels etc...
Competence - 3 he created a perfect universe! twas us that screwed it about...
Courage - 3 he died on a cross without a fight. he gave himself up. that is courage
Discernment - noooooooooooooo idea what that means...
Focus - 3 he had one goal in his life, and he carried it out...
Generosity - 3 he gave his life, and the father gave his son. and you give him 1?!?
Initiative - 3 he fed the 3000 and the 5000 with some bread and fish.
Listening - 3 we pray. he listens. and yes, he does show us that he listens.
Passion - 3 have you never watched the passion of christ?!?
Positive attitude - 3 he knew he was gonna die from the moment he was born, but he still went about with a smile! 🙂
Problem solving - 3
Relationships - 3
Responsibility - 3
Security - 3
Self discipline - 3
Servanthood - 3
Teachability - 3
Vision - 3
i'm presuming most of those 1's were "dont know"...?
God would never be a good leader (even if he'd exist).
First of all, I think there is a practical problem. If God were a leader, he'd be the leader of every living creature in this world (and universe).
God is 'almighty', I know that, but how would he be able to stop war....
-He could tell people not to make war, but people would only listen if they fear god= NOT a good leader.
-"Why aren't we allowed to make war to our neighbours, God?" -> because it's not your territory, it's theirs, they live there, you'd be a thief...
If I were those people, I'd think God likes my neighbours better.
=> God would never be able to be a good leader to EVERYONE
And even if he'd have EVERY quality of a good leader, if 99% of the people thinks he's a bad leader, he isn't a good leader, just a matter of perception.
OK, let's say God would have the ability to change people's minds about him (with a spell or something). I don't think conditionating people by changing their thoughts implies "goodness" (cf. a clockwork orange).
If it's not goodness, it's not God (I even think it'd be evil).
If God would be a good leader, he'd be the only leader (in my opinion), and if he were the only leader, no bad leaders would exist, and without the concept of a bad leader (the concept doesn't exist, God has always been here, unless he suddenly took over the world which wouldn't be very friendly), the concept of a good leader wouldn't exist either...
Just my opinion
G.
1 = poor / don't know, 2 = OK, 3 = good
Character - 3
Charisma - 3
Commitment -2 ran out
Communication - 2 needed to get down to other's levels. Look at how christians misunderstand him!
Competence - 1
Courage - 3 The Romans were a tough outfit!
Discernment - 3 Women, underpriveleged, etc
Focus -2 he had one goal in his life, and he NEARLY carried it out...
Generosity - 3 Fair minded
Initiative - 2 Was a bit naive politically.
Listening - 3 probably
Passion - 3 have you never watched the passion of christ?!? YES, SELF INDULGENT YANKOCITY
Positive attitude - 3 ?
Problem solving - 1 Caused more than he would have suspected (although of course it was Saul)
Relationships - 2
Responsibility - 2
Security - 2
Self discipline - 2
Servanthood - 3 ??
Teachability - 0 He was the teacher (rabbi)
Vision - 1
I did say "God, as we know him now days". Can you re-do your list for Jesus as we know him now days - based on what he does now days, is he still as good a leader as you say ?
By the way, how was God showing "competence in creating a perfect universe" and being generous when creating parasites that can burrow through a child's head and send them blind ?
Also, the "don't know"'s are as bad as "poor" when it comes to leadership. For example, if you don't know whether a leader provides you security then how secure can you feel and how good a leader can they be in that regard ?
Here's my list for Jesus.
1 = poor / don't know, 2 = OK, 3 = good
Character - 1
Charisma - 1
Commitment - 1
Communication - 1
Competence - 1
Courage - 1
Discernment - 1
Focus - 1
Generosity - 1
Initiative - 1
Listening - 1
Passion - 1
Positive attitude - 1
Problem solving - 1
Relationships - 1
Responsibility - 1
Security - 1
Self discipline - 1
Servanthood - 1
Teachability - 1
Vision - 1
Originally posted by geniusWould a perfect universe not have been established so it maintained perfection? And thus by the fact that WE messed it up we are imperfect. As an element of the universe our being imperfect makes the universe imperfect and therefore God should not be called completely competent
Competence - 3 he created a perfect universe! twas us that screwed it about...
Originally posted by PaperbackCan god and parallel universes co-exist ?
Would a perfect universe not have been established so it maintained perfection? And thus by the fact that WE messed it up we are imperfect. As an element of the universe our being imperfect makes the universe imperfect and therefore God should not be called completely competent
Did god create time ?
Originally posted by geniusYou weird, stupid, just plainly misguided person! 🙂
call me weird/stupid/or just plain missguided, but methinks that christians seem to be, in general, a nicer bunch of people as opposed to non-christains...
Seriously though, I have honestly never had this impression. Do you mean xtians vs all other religous groups as well as those that are not religious, I wasn't sure? If so I definitely have to disagree. I tend to find xtians overbearing and lacking in depth. Just going on my personal experiences here, not trying to insult anyone, except genius of course who is weird, stupid and just plainly misguided 😛