@dood111 saidfighting for freedom and survival...? No, they were not even under attack. They were fighting (invading) to steal more land.
Israel won handily because they were fighting for their freedom and survival.
The muslim soldiers didn't have much of a cause to fight for since their countries really suck.
The post that was quoted here has been removedThe Iranians are not Arabs. The Persian military tradition is quite respectable.
Hezbollah, as a non-state army, has major limitations. They certainly haven't won anything - they haven't taken territory, destroyed their enemy, etc. It's like saying the UK couldn't defeat the IRA or Spain couldn't defeat the ETA. There's really nothing to defeat; simply casualties to be accounted for.
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Here's the bottom line for me.
Israel never set boots on the ground in Cairo, Damascus, or Aman. And yet they claim they defeated those nations?
And if the DID defeat them, how come those 3 lived to attack Israel in the Yam Kippur war?
What Israel won was a BATTLE, like the Japanese won at Pearl Harbor. A sneak attack. And the war continues.
@earl-of-trumps saidThe Arabs sure are taking a long time building enough submarines and heavy bombers to blockade Israel and bomb them into smithereens. Japan was blasted into submission within 4 years of Pearl Harbor.
Here's the bottom line for me.
Israel never set boots on the ground in Cairo, Damascus, or Aman. And yet they claim they defeated those nations?
And if the DID defeat them, how come those 3 lived to attack Israel in the Yam Kippur war?
What Israel won was a BATTLE, like the Japanese won at Pearl Harbor. A sneak attack. And the war continues.
@earl-of-trumps saidhere is the bottom line period! Israel will never be defeated. Arabs can keep on raising their children to hate all they want, it will just get them killed.
Here's the bottom line for me.
Israel never set boots on the ground in Cairo, Damascus, or Aman. And yet they claim they defeated those nations?
And if the DID defeat them, how come those 3 lived to attack Israel in the Yam Kippur war?
What Israel won was a BATTLE, like the Japanese won at Pearl Harbor. A sneak attack. And the war continues.
@mott-the-hoople saidOne good day it will all end with both sides sharing the land and living together in peace. .. soon.
here is the bottom line period! Israel will never be defeated. Arabs can keep on raising their children to hate all they want, it will just get them killed.
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@earl-of-trumps saidYou really need to learn more about the region.
Here's the bottom line for me.
Israel never set boots on the ground in Cairo, Damascus, or Aman. And yet they claim they defeated those nations?
And if the DID defeat them, how come those 3 lived to attack Israel in the Yam Kippur war?
What Israel won was a BATTLE, like the Japanese won at Pearl Harbor. A sneak attack. And the war continues.
Cairo and Amman are at negotiated and signed peace with Israel. Damascus is a total mess and is in no position to be dealing with any foreign country (not that Israel couldn't have marched to Damascus in '67 or '73 without a problem if it cared to).
Assuming Israel is at war (unclear, but I digress), it's at war with Hamas and possibly other Iranian-backed organizations like Hizbollah. Israel is most certainly not at war with Egypt or Jordan. They operate multiple daily flights to both places, for crying out loud. The embargo of military materials from Gaza, moreover, could not be done without full (and enthusiastic) Egyptian cooperation.
===And if the DID defeat them, how come those 3 lived to attack Israel in the Yam Kippur war?===
Did Germany get defeated in World War I? Then how did they live to fight again in World War II? France was clearly defeated in June of 1940, but participated in the defeat of Germany just a few years later. Napoleon smashed Prussia just a few years before Blucher showed up at sunset to relieve Wellington at Waterloo. The Finns has the distinct privilege of surrendering to the Soviet Union twice during World War II.
Countries that lose wars don't cease to exist. They merely sign negotiated surrenders and sometimes roll the dice again a few years later.
@sh76 saidGood post. You have the patience of Job to explain to EoT why / how a country does not disappear after defeat. Lol ... After I read his post I just gave up.
You really need to learn more about the region.
Cairo and Amman are at negotiated and signed peace with Israel. Damascus is a total mess and is in no position to be dealing with any foreign country (not that Israel couldn't have marched to Damascus in '67 or '73 without a problem if it cared to).
Assuming Israel is at war (unclear, but I digress), it's at war with Hamas an ...[text shortened]... o exist. They merely sign negotiated surrenders and sometimes roll the dice again a few years later.
The post that was quoted here has been removedIran offers unconditional support to Hamas, Islamic Jihad
Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/07/palestinian-hamas-iran-financial-support-israel-annexation.html#ixzz6wRMzFWhS
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Since Hamas and Islamic Jihad remained on the sidelines in the Syrian civil war and left their respective offices in Damascus in 2012, Iran, a staunch ally of the Syrian regime, suspended its financial support to both movements, cutting off their largest sources of funding.
The return of these relations, however, seems to be in the offing, especially with the recent events in the region. On May 28, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that his government intends to annex 30% of the West Bank. Head of the Hamas political bureau Ismail Haniyeh said July 6 that he had received a message from Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, confirming that his country will continue to provide support to the Palestinians.
“Iran will spare no effort to support the Palestinian people to restore their right and hold off the evil schemes of the Zionist entity,” the message read.
During the Six Day War of 1967 Israel also attacked a US Navy ship, the USS Liberty. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that.
This is a cut and paste job from the wikipedia article.
"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity. Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate."
The post that was quoted here has been removed===The peace agreements were not 'surrenders' per se, though Finland was compelled to yield territory and pay reparations. Finland was not disarmed or occupied.===
Yes, it was a negotiated surrender, which is how most (or at least many) wars end. Unconditional surrender is probably the exception in the history or warfare. Often, the side that's losing agrees to make monetary, political and/or territorial concessions to make it worth the stronger party's while to end the fighting.
As I'm sure you know, the European roulette of wars of the middle ages until the modern area rarely ended with the French marching to London or Madrid or Charles V occupying Paris. Instead, the losing side would give some money or a piece of marshland in the Flanders or something and maybe agree to a royal family marriage that would increase the clout of the other side's royal family.