Originally posted by kmax87The boundaries definition is to be postponed 50 years. Hopefully Timor is more stable to negotiate it at that time. I agree Australia has no claim on its boundaries, but that doesn't mean that there can't be an agreement regarding the exploration of that oil for the moment.
Whats shocking is how we have gone about extending our boundaries for ownership of resources based on the most spurious of claims. You dont have to be green or left to respect international law, and you dont have to have your head in the sand to realise that Johnny H and Biggles and CO are more than willing to bend over backwards to accomadate US interests wh ...[text shortened]... bankrupt than the countries of South East Asia it is its wont to so often and so easily malign.
Originally posted by PalynkaCuz it ain't? Democracy is rule by the people and they have these things called "elections". As a result of these "elections", the people say who they want to be their leaders. In the case of East Timor, the people (the "demo" part) elected Freitlin. Freitlin on June 25, 2006 unanimously (news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-06/26/content_4749945.htm ) reaffirmed that their leader was Alkatiri. But due to pressure from outside sources and without a no confidence vote, he resigned. The will of the people as expressed in the elections was thus voided.
How isn't a resignation democratic?
Originally posted by no1marauderSo Prime Ministers should be unable to resign? Don't be ridiculous.
Cuz it ain't? Democracy is rule by the people and they have these things called "elections". As a result of these "elections", the people say who they want to be their leaders. In the case of East Timor, the people (the "demo" part) elected Freitlin. Freitlin on June 25, 2006 unanimously (news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-06/26/content_4749945.htm ) reaffi ...[text shortened]... vote, he resigned. The will of the people as expressed in the elections was thus voided.
Some years ago the Portuguese Prime Minister decided to resign due to political pressure. So what? It's part of the democracy.
Originally posted by PalynkaAre you joking? ET can sell the rights to any number of oil companies on its own and not split the revenues 50-50 with the Australian government. Or maybe even cut a deal with China! No wait, that would be bad.
50-50 on revenues is a great deal, considering that Australia would support all the costs. Who is offering more?
Don't forget ET can't afford the investments.
Originally posted by PalynkaGee, were there foreign troops in Portugal and foreign countries calling for his resignation? Did his political party reaffirm his leadership? Who's being ridiculous?
So Prime Ministers should be unable to resign? Don't be ridiculous.
Some years ago the Portuguese Prime Minister decided to resign due to political pressure. So what? It's part of the democracy.
Originally posted by Palynka"More stable". Nice.
The boundaries definition is to be postponed 50 years. Hopefully Timor is more stable to negotiate it at that time. I agree Australia has no claim on its boundaries, but that doesn't mean that there can't be an agreement regarding the exploration of that oil for the moment.
Originally posted by no1marauderYes, his political party reaffirmed its support for him. They had more than half the seats in parliament. But he saw that the public didn't support him anymore, so he resigned.
Gee, were there foreign troops in Portugal and foreign countries calling for his resignation? Did his political party reaffirm his leadership? Who's being ridiculous?
You.
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Originally posted by PalynkaThe whole ppoint of my posts was that Australia initially offered a much more favourable 60/40 split in favour of ET and then settled on an 85/15 split in favour of ET, only as long as ET agreed that that arangement would only be limited to the TST and as long as ET recognised Australia's right to extend its claim for oil under the sea bed way past the limit set by International boundaries and extending way past the halfway mark between each country and lay claim to the lions share of the Greater Sunrise Field.
50-50 on revenues is a great deal, considering that Australia would support all the costs. Who is offering more?
Don't forget ET can't afford the investments.
The cost of developing the infrastructure to pump the oil does not warrant a 50-50 split as well you know. But it is the very same sense of Imperialist logic that can rob someone of something and then claim humanitarian Kudo's for at least not murdering them.
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Originally posted by PalynkaThe public????????? What a fairy tale you're telling! If his party believed the public didn't support him, they would have insisted on his resignation, wouldn't they?
Yes, his political party reaffirmed its support for him. They had more than half the seats in parliament. But he saw that the public didn't support him anymore, so he resigned.
You.
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Originally posted by PalynkaYes, every time there is a riot in any country the usual procedure is to have foreign troops move in and then one month later the leader resigns. Happens all the time. I guess France wasn't stable last year so all its agreements should have been deferred for 50 years.
Riots such as the ones in April show that it isn't stable at the moment.
Oh, I forgot, you excluded those riots from your timeline of events.
Originally posted by no1marauderAre you saying they should have denied East Timor's request for troops?
Yes, every time there is a riot in any country the usual procedure is to have foreign troops move in and then one month later the leader resigns. Happens all the time. I guess France wasn't stable last year so all its agreements should have been deferred for 50 years.
Pathetic.
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat does that have to do with anything? Whether he's Prime Minister or not they serve until the end of the mandate; he did resign and the members of parliament are still in office until next year's election.
Not necessarily. They wanted to serve until the end of the mandate, which is also legitimate.