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  1. 18 Jun '13 23:15 / 1 edit
    I seem to have a problem with copying the URL now.
    Search at the www.guardian.co.uk website for (17 June 2013)
    "Edward Snowden: NSA whistleblower answers reader questions"
    Glenn Greenwald was the moderator.

    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot
    be stopped."
    --Edward Snowden
  2. 18 Jun '13 23:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I seem to have a problem with copying the URL now.
    Search at the www.guardian.co.uk website for (17 June 2013)
    "Edward Snowden: NSA whistleblower answers reader questions"
    Glenn Greenwald was the moderator.

    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot
    be stopped."
    --Edward Snowden
    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me."

    Or murdering me? What a narcissistic drama queen.
  3. 19 Jun '13 00:06
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me."

    Or murdering me? What a narcissistic drama queen.
    Do you believe that the USA is not above murdering people to keep them silent?
  4. 19 Jun '13 00:25
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me."

    Or murdering me? What a narcissistic drama queen.
    Is it as far-fetched as you (USArmyParatrooper) seem to believe that
    Edward Snowden could be murdered someday by the US government?

    I don't know what Edward Snowden knows or what the US government
    assumes that he knows. *If* the US government believed that Edward
    Snowden was ready to disclose 'vital US national security secrets' to a
    'hostile power' (the People's Republic of China?), then would not the
    US government do everything within its power to prevent that disclosure?
    The US government already has shown that it's ready to assassinate
    (by drone strikes) US citizens, who have not been convicted of any crime
    warranting execution, outside the USA. What would be the difference
    between assassination by using a drone strike or using a CIA agent?
    Perhaps Edward Snowden knows that he knows enough to make him into
    a person of 'too dangerous' interest to the US national security services.

    Edward Snowden might have chosen Hong Kong as his place of refuge in
    part because it's a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of
    China and he hopes that the US government may be sufficiently deterred
    by China--in contrast to a much smaller, weaker country--not to attempt
    to abduct or to assassinate him there. He might have hoped that China's
    government would be strong enough--if it's in its perceived interest--to
    stand up against US pressure if the US government demands his 'extradition'
    from Hong Kong (which is not a sovereign state). By the way, if Edward
    Snowden can stay in Hong Kong for at least seven years, he could apply
    for the Right of Abode, which would allow him to remain indefinitely in
    Hong Kong without having to apply for Chinese citizenship.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    19 Jun '13 15:26
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    "All that I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able
    to cover this up by jailing or murdering me."

    Or murdering me? What a narcissistic drama queen.
    Bingo!

    How many of these "whistleblowers" (crazy or normal) from Jim Garrison to Bob Woodward to Julian Assange have been "murdered" by the US government?

    Zero.

    I'd love to come up with a description for this quote, but I can't do any better than narcissistic drama queen.
  6. 19 Jun '13 15:51
    Originally posted by sh76
    Bingo!

    How many of these "whistleblowers" (crazy or normal) from Jim Garrison to Bob Woodward to Julian Assange have been "murdered" by the US government?

    Zero.

    I'd love to come up with a description for this quote, but I can't do any better than narcissistic drama queen.
    How about this one: "what a Ron Paul supporter!"
  7. 19 Jun '13 16:54
    Originally posted by sh76
    Bingo!

    How many of these "whistleblowers" (crazy or normal) from Jim Garrison to Bob Woodward to Julian Assange have been "murdered" by the US government?

    Zero.

    I'd love to come up with a description for this quote, but I can't do any better than narcissistic drama queen.
    In my eyes when he makes outlandish hyperbolic statements like that, he loses credibility. Unfortunately everyone seems to be taking everything he says as the word of God. Even so-called "whistle blowers" could have ulterior motives. They could be outright lying or exaggerating, or they could just be plain wrong on some things. I'm not saying any of those things are definitely the case, but their claims still need to be scrutinized just like anybody. I have yet to see Snowden take a hardball question.

    I know from talking with Intel guys from our brigade S2 shop that the intelligence community is very a stingy about communicating - even with each other. Everything is on a need to know basis. I find it odd that some short-time employee of a private contractor claims to know so much about how the entire NSA operates.
  8. 19 Jun '13 17:37
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    In my eyes when he makes outlandish hyperbolic statements like that, he loses credibility.
    From The Godfather

    Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
    Kay: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.
    Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?
  9. 19 Jun '13 18:10
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    From The Godfather

    Michael: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.
    Kay: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.
    Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?
    Great movie! A classic.
  10. 19 Jun '13 19:03
    Originally posted by sh76
    Bingo!

    How many of these "whistleblowers" (crazy or normal) from Jim Garrison to Bob Woodward to Julian Assange have been "murdered" by the US government?

    Zero.

    I'd love to come up with a description for this quote, but I can't do any better than narcissistic drama queen.
    It suited the the democratic party to have Woodward and Bernstein
    in their corner.

    As for Julian Assange, he has taken refuge in a foreign embassy.
    Who knows what would happen to him if he left that embassy.

    Are you naive enough to think that the British would not deal
    with that if they could? Or if they could not do you not think
    that they would hand him over to the Americans?

    Who is being naive here?

    No Government is free of blood.

    Bush did a deal to put Hamid Karzai in power in Afghanistan.
    Now the USA has failed to deal with his enemies the Taliban.

    They are talking about having a peace deal with the Taliban.
    If they could have defeated them then there would be no talks.

    If the Taliban win major concessions in these talks you will see
    Karzai dragged through the streets and castrated and hanged
    just like his predecessor. I think Karzai should be planning his
    exit strategy real quickly if I were him.

    The US will deal with whoever takes power.

    If that's not Karzai then tough luck for him.
  11. 19 Jun '13 19:09
    Karzai is an American puppet.
    They will sacrifice him if they need to.
  12. 19 Jun '13 20:12
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper to sh76
    In my eyes when he makes outlandish hyperbolic statements like that, he loses credibility. Unfortunately everyone seems to be taking everything he says as the word of God. Even so-called "whistle blowers" could have ulterior motives. They could be outright lying or exaggerating, or they could just be plain wrong on some things. I'm not sayi ...[text shortened]... me employee of a private contractor claims to know so much about how the entire NSA operates.
    "...but their claims have to be scrutinized just like anybody.
    I have yet to see Snowden take a hardball question."
    --USArmyParatrooper

    Did you (USArmyParatrooper) read all questions asked by Guardian readers?

    I have some knowledge of how a major newspaper operates in these cases.
    While the judgment of the Guardian's editors and writers is not perfect--no
    one has perfect judgment--you (USArmyParatrooper) would be quite wrong
    if you assume that Glenn Greenwald began writing his articles after
    coming into communication with just *anyone* who claimed to have secret
    knowledge of the NSA. The 'Guardian' is not that naive or irresponsible
    (and it's not owned by Rupert Murdoch). As far as it could, the 'Guardian'
    did its 'due diligence' and attempted to corroborate what Edward Snowden
    revealed. Evidently, the 'Guardian' has found Edward Snowden credible
    enough to be well worth publishing. Should one believe all that Edward
    Snowden claims? Not necessarily, and one should not believe all that the
    US government--which has a long-established record of lying--claims.

    As far as I know, I note that the US government (or its many supporters
    in the US media) has not proven that Edward Snowden has been lying.
    Instead, there has been a campaign of apparent 'character assassination'
    against Edward Snowden in the US media. Like the rest of us, Edward
    Snowden might not be a saint (perhaps he has unpaid parking tickets or
    he deceived his girlfriend). I note that some writers here (beginning with
    Moon1969), who don't know Edward Snowden and presumably have no
    qualifications to make clinical psychological assessments, have been
    jumping to their conclusions about his alleged psychological make-up.
    I prefer to reserve my judgement about Edward Snowden as a man.

    By the way, I strongly oppose US imperialism and militarism, and to the
    extent that Edward Snowden can help us in the struggle against it, I
    approve of what he has been doing. I am aware that most of the usual
    flag-waving 'patriotic' Americans, 'conservative' or 'liberal', in this forum
    hate Edward Snowden and hope that he will rot in prison or burn in Hell.
    These Americans may continue to insult Edward Snowden, but that does
    not prove that he's lying or that the US government must be right. And
    Edward Snowden seems to have gained much sympathy among the people
    of Hong Kong, his new home.
  13. 19 Jun '13 22:12
    Originally posted by sh76 to USArmyParatrooper
    Bingo!

    How many of these "whistleblowers" (crazy or normal) from Jim Garrison to Bob Woodward to Julian Assange have been "murdered" by the US government?

    Zero.

    I'd love to come up with a description for this quote, but I can't do any better than narcissistic drama queen.
    This is another 'apples and oranges' comparison by Sh76.

    Unlike Edward Snowden, Jim Garrison, Bob Woodward, and Julian Assange
    (an Australian) were not US citizens who supposedly had access to top
    secret information about US national security and had *sworn never to
    reveal it*. Like many other Americans, Jim Garrison speculated about
    who really killed JFK; surveys show that most Americans suspect there
    was a conspiracy involving more than Lee Harvey Oswald. Bob Woodward's
    revelations were about a domestic political scandal (Watergate), unrelated
    (except as claimed by some Nixon apologists) to US national security.
    Julian Assange's now holed up in Ecuador's Embassy in London--so how's
    the USA supposed to kill him? Have the US Navy Seals invade Ecuador's
    Embassy? Or launch a drone strike against it? While the UK government
    has acquired a reputation for being quite a sycophantic lapdog of the US
    government, I doubt that even the UK government could tolerate having
    the USA commit such a naked act of war against Ecuador in London.

    I am not saying that I know (if I did, I myself could be in danger--joke)
    that the US government has a plan to kill Edward Snowden. But I believe
    that Edward Snowden can reasonably believe that he's in more danger
    than Garrison, Woodward, or Assange, and be expected to take reasonable
    precautions accordingly. I suspect that Edward Snowden would be treated
    at least as harshly as Bradley Manning has been if the US government could
    apprehend him. Edward Snowden also has to worry that an outraged
    'patriotic' American, acting on his own, might attempt to murder him if
    the opportunity arose through a chance encounter someday.

    Whatever his faults, I hope that Edward Snowden will not be killed.
    Given the 'patriotic' hatred that many Americans have shown toward him,
    I suspect that many Americans would approve of his assassination as long
    as there was enough 'plausible deniability' (making it look like an accident).
  14. 20 Jun '13 00:53 / 1 edit
    maybe now hes in china he can get a $100 compact digital camera ... yeah a crap one with 50x manual / digital zoom capability, face, multiple face, scene recognition, autofocus that's fast (could shoot down an aircraft fast)

    then tell us what happens when 100,000,000 are plugged into prism in 2 years time.

    Its good the civil liberties aspects are discussed, fair enough, but its much more dangerous the US not having systems like this, its Crucial.
  15. 20 Jun '13 11:01
    Originally posted by e4chris
    maybe now hes in china he can get a $100 compact digital camera ... yeah a crap one with 50x manual / digital zoom capability, face, multiple face, scene recognition, autofocus that's fast (could shoot down an aircraft fast)

    then tell us what happens when 100,000,000 are plugged into prism in 2 years time.

    Its good the civil liberties aspects are di ...[text shortened]... sed, fair enough, but its much more dangerous the US not having systems like this, its Crucial.
    Crucial to continue imperialism you mean.

    We would not have a terrorist threat if the USA government minded their own business. When you invade countries and support puppet governments put in place, this is what happens. Sweden doesn't have this problem do they?