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@Mott-The-Hoople said
but you want to increase democracy and do away with the EC 😂
And your point is ............................................. what exactly?

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@A-Unique-Nickname said
Which highlights how it's a completely flawed system.
agreed

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@Mott-The-Hoople said
but you want to increase democracy and do away with the EC 😂
Aha! So you do understand some things you read. Well done!


@no1marauder said
And your point is ............................................. what exactly?
How can mott talk about Democracy when no one here can define it? Sonhouse mentions it the most, and knows it the least.


@A-Unique-Nickname said
Which highlights how it's a completely flawed system.
You could only mean that the person with the most votes is the winner. But that is not the way the Founders want it. Look it up. So, it is NOT flawed, it is intact.
How silly you are.


@AverageJoe1 said
You could only mean that the person with the most votes is the winner. But that is not the way the Founders want it. Look it up. So, it is NOT flawed, it is intact.
How silly you are.
Yeah you're right, it make complete sense to have a system where the winner can have and has in the past had 3 million less votes than the winner. Great system, very fair... Me so silly.


@AverageJoe1 said
You could only mean that the person with the most votes is the winner. But that is not the way the Founders want it. Look it up. So, it is NOT flawed, it is intact.
How silly you are.
The Founders and Framers didn't want women or black folks to vote either.

They were progressive for their time but many of their ideas are long outmoded. They recognized times change and provided for a process to amend the Constitution - one would should use to eliminate the EC.


@AverageJoe1 said
But that is not the way the Founders want it. Look it up. So, it is NOT flawed, it is intact.
The EC wasn't broken in the Founder's day.

The EC was broken in 1929 by the Reapportionment Act that capped the number of members in the House at 435. That means that large states do not have enough Representatives when compared to the smallest state by population (e.g. Wyoming).

The EC cannot be fixed. It has to be eliminated.


@no1marauder said
The Founders and Framers didn't want women or black folks to vote either.

They were progressive for their time but many of their ideas are long outmoded. They recognized times change and provided for a process to amend the Constitution - one would should use to eliminate the EC.
What's your alternative? Just most votes wins between two parties?

Would be interesting in states where you know has a majority, would more of the minority come out to vote because their vote is actually going to count?


@A-Unique-Nickname said
What's your alternative? Just most votes wins between two parties?

Would be interesting in states where you know has a majority, would more of the minority come out to vote because their vote is actually going to count?
It would make every vote count if it was simply the candidate with the most votes nationally.

In practical terms now, the only votes that are of any importance are those in the "swing" States.

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@no1marauder said
It would make every vote count if it was simply the candidate with the most votes nationally.

In practical terms now, the only votes that are of any importance are those in the "swing" States.
Do you think the turnout would be higher?


@no1marauder said
It would make every vote count if it was simply the candidate with the most votes nationally.

In practical terms now, the only votes that are of any importance are those in the "swing" States.
I suppose that would be the logical thing to do.

But think of how much less exciting election analysis and election nights would be.

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Elections should be decided with a Showcase Showdown on the Price Is Right.

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What if there were 5 states...California, Texas, Florida, Wyoming and Vermont.
The first listed 3 have 100M people. The other 2, about ONE million.


Now create a situitation where WY and/or ME have a say in a populous vote.

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@no1marauder said
The Founders and Framers didn't want women or black folks to vote either.

They were progressive for their time but many of their ideas are long outmoded. They recognized times change and provided for a process to amend the Constitution - one would should use to eliminate the EC.
Odd that you suggest that those who were not allowed to vote have anything to do wtih the counting of votes by those are allowed to vote, the qualified citizens. Uh oh, a racist comment I guess. But, children were not qualified, Marauder. And we are indeed speaking only of the numbers who live in the area or the state.
Further I sayeth not