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  1. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    17 May '18 23:08
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Hardly:

    Physicians have a fiduciary responsibility to their patients...
    In Ontario.
  2. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    17 May '18 23:133 edits
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It's more like not giving your kid medicine knowing he'll die because you didn't.
    Do you think parents who refuse to administer State mandated treatments to their children should be treated as criminals?

    E.g. Jehovah’s Witnesses and blood?
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    17 May '18 23:15
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    In Ontario.
    In the US as well:

    https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/books/lbb/x236.htm
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    17 May '18 23:15
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Do you think parents who refuse to administer State mandated treatments to their children should be treated as criminals?
    That's an off-topic hypothetical. The one I gave was precisely tailored to the facts of this case.
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    17 May '18 23:171 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    That's an off-topic hypothetical. The one I gave was precisely tailored to the facts of this case.
    No it wasn’t you brought up the parent child relationship as it applies to treatments. There is no parent child relationship here.
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    17 May '18 23:18
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    In the US as well:

    https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/books/lbb/x236.htm
    Then this decision was illegal and why are we discussing it?
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    17 May '18 23:20
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Then this decision was illegal and why are we discussing it?
    It wasn't illegal in Texas.

    We are discussing it because the Texas' law is clearly aberrational and in violation of established norms in the US.
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    17 May '18 23:21
    Law does not define morality if that is what you are suggesting.
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    17 May '18 23:211 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It wasn't illegal in Texas.

    We are discussing it because the Texas' law is clearly aberrational and in violation of established norms in the US.
    That Texas law is illegal under Federal Law according to the link you just gave.
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    17 May '18 23:23
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    No it wasn’t you brought up the parent child relationship as it applies to treatments. There is no parent child relationship here.
    There is a fiduciary relationship between a doctor and a patient; your comparison postulated a stranger. A parent-child relationship is just another type of fiduciary relationship.https://www.stimmel-law.com/en/articles/fiduciary-duty-what-it-and-what-does-it-impose-upon-you
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    17 May '18 23:24
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Law does not define morality if that is what you are suggesting.
    You should know that is something I would never suggest.
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    17 May '18 23:25
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    There is a fiduciary relationship between a doctor and a patient; your comparison postulated a stranger. A parent-child relationship is just another type of fiduciary relationship.https://www.stimmel-law.com/en/articles/fiduciary-duty-what-it-and-what-does-it-impose-upon-you
    And in the parent child fiduciary relationship is it immoral or illegal to refuse to treat your children even though the government insists you “know better” ?
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    17 May '18 23:26
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    You should know that is something I would never suggest.
    But you imply it when you show us laws as evidence of the morality of something.
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    17 May '18 23:29
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It's more like not giving your kid medicine knowing he'll die because you didn't.
    Who decides if the parent knows the child will be saved by the medicine and what should be the penalty?
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    17 May '18 23:35
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    But you imply it when you show us laws as evidence of the morality of something.
    I don't believe I did.
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