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    08 Oct '18 21:55
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/7/false-sex-assault-reports-not-rare-reported-studie/
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    08 Oct '18 21:56
    Thank You for telling us what we already know.
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    08 Oct '18 22:13
    There's a lot of claiming going on here. So if somebody claims something, how do you know if they are really claiming it, or only claiming to be claiming it, and if they are only claiming to claim it, then if someone is counter - claiming it as a false claim, how does the counter - claimant know whether the first claim was only a claim, and indeed how does the first claimant know whether the counter claimant is really claiming to make a counter claim, or only claiming to be counter claiming?
    Do you see what I'm driving at?
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    08 Oct '18 22:33
    Does Mott-the-Hoopie accept that O.J. Simpson was falsely accused of murder,
    given that he not only was never convicted but actually acquitted by a jury?

    It's generally accepted that most real rapes never result in criminal convictions of rape.
    The absence of a criminal conviction does not necessarily mean the accusation was false.
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    08 Oct '18 22:46
    @mott-the-hoople said
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/7/false-sex-assault-reports-not-rare-reported-studie/
    But...but....but...they seemed so credible.
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    08 Oct '18 23:271 edit
    @duchess64 said
    Does Mott-the-Hoopie accept that O.J. Simpson was falsely accused of murder,
    given that he not only was never convicted but actually acquitted by a jury?

    It's generally accepted that most real rapes never result in criminal convictions of rape.
    The absence of a criminal conviction does not necessarily mean the accusation was false.
    "It's generally accepted" ...explain that concept and how you arrived at stating it.
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    08 Oct '18 23:34
    @mott-the-hoople said
    "It's generally accepted" ...explain that concept and how you arrived at stating it.
    It's generally accepted by people, such in academia or law enforcement, who
    seriously study rape that it's a quite underreported crime.
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    09 Oct '18 13:07
    @duchess64 said
    It's generally accepted by people, such in academia or law enforcement, who
    seriously study rape that it's a quite underreported crime.
    I don't see any evidence of that. Do you have data to back that up?
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    09 Oct '18 13:15
    @mott-the-hoople said
    I don't see any evidence of that. Do you have data to back that up?
    When was the last time you reported a rape?

    You don't "see" evidence of that because you were never raped.

    Have a little empathy, for God's sake.
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    09 Oct '18 13:18
    @suzianne said
    When was the last time you reported a rape?

    You don't "see" evidence of that because you were never raped.

    Have a little empathy, for God's sake.
    empathy should go BOTH ways.

    do you think these girls should be punished?

    https://nypost.com/2018/10/08/school-under-fire-for-turning-blind-eye-to-female-students-false-sex-assault-allegations/
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    09 Oct '18 13:25
    @mott-the-hoople said
    "It's generally accepted" ...explain that concept and how you arrived at stating it.
    Of course it is generally accepted throughout the world with the exception of the USA maybe.

    In fact it is clear that rape is not normally something that instills pride in People. It is very personal, and it is commonly a 1:1 Situation.
    Of course historians agree that victims were blamed for having been raped throughout most of history. And at least in Germany even in the lat few decades it has been reported that Police persons wouldn't be bothered to fill in the paperwork asking questions like: "didn't you have at least some fun...?" A rape victim confronted with that is not normally looking to bring the offense to court. And even then there might be not enough evidence that the intercourse was not in concent.

    This should all be very clear to a Basic educated Person.
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    09 Oct '18 13:26
    @whodey said
    But...but....but...they seemed so credible.
    What you wanted to say was:

    But...but....but...Hillary.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    empathy should go BOTH ways.

    do you think these girls should be punished?

    https://nypost.com/2018/10/08/school-under-fire-for-turning-blind-eye-to-female-students-false-sex-assault-allegations/
    This story is an outlier. Those girls are kids who didn't fully understand the impact of their actions.

    Rape (and sexual assault) is the single most under-reported crime. Those who do not report it say overwhelmingly it is because their story will not be believed. The Kavanaugh debacle supports this.

    IF this story is true (it IS the New York Post, after all), then yes, those girls should be punished. "Crying wolf" is not a joke. I hope none of those girls actually gets raped now.
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    09 Oct '18 13:43
    @suzianne said
    This story is an outlier. Those girls are kids who didn't fully understand the impact of their actions.

    Rape (and sexual assault) is the single most under-reported crime. Those who do not report it say overwhelmingly it is because their story will not be believed. The Kavanaugh debacle supports this.

    IF this story is true (it IS the New York Post, after all), then y ...[text shortened]... ould be punished. "Crying wolf" is not a joke. I hope none of those girls actually gets raped now.
    The fact that something is under reported does not change the burden of proof. Allegations need to proven. Claims need to be supported and that's nearly impossible when they aren't made in a timely matter.
    There is too much explaining why claims that are not proven might be true anyway and too little protection and sympathy for those accused of unproven claims.
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    09 Oct '18 13:46
    @suzianne said
    This story is an outlier. Those girls are kids who didn't fully understand the impact of their actions.

    Rape (and sexual assault) is the single most under-reported crime. Those who do not report it say overwhelmingly it is because their story will not be believed. The Kavanaugh debacle supports this.

    IF this story is true (it IS the New York Post, after all), then y ...[text shortened]... ould be punished. "Crying wolf" is not a joke. I hope none of those girls actually gets raped now.
    using that logic...do you feel young boys raping girls should be let off for the same reason?
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