@Metal-Brain
So you figure this virus, according to you, is such a low order on the world stage, all those deaths, no bid deal when you look at the total population of Earth, FLU killed more than C19 THEREFORE we can downplay the significance of the virus and in fact we (the ultrarightwingnutjob contingent here) can lie and spew misinformation SPECIFICALLY designed to undermine ANYTHING democrats do no matter HOW good the bills passed are. All you repub ASSSSHOLES can do is STOP anything coming out of the dem side.
So prove me wrong.
@techsouth said" It seems that 10s of thousands of medical professionals believe it is a no-brainer in favor of getting the vaccine."
I don't think she's saying we've been denied data. She's sayin that the data, which seems to be readily available because she seemingly knows it, isn't on the "prescribers information".
To me, the ONLY interesting questions are about risk management. Is it more risky to get the vaccine or to not get the vaccine? Neither have 0 risk and there is a non-zero risk of gett ...[text shortened]... rules. The results, have generally been much better than if I had followed the rules to the letter.
Doctors are not taught very much about vaccines in college. They know next to nothing about them. I once had to go to the walk in clinic to get stitches after an accident. They asked me if I wanted the tetanus vaccine. I declined and told my doctor it contains formaldehyde. He told me vaccines don't contain formaldehyde. I asked him if I could see the insert. He found out he was wrong. I later told him you could not sue vaccine makers if their vaccines harm people since 1986. He didn't believe me.
Doctors know next to nothing about vaccines.
@metal-brain saidBut, doctors know a lot about whether their Covid patients have been vaccinated or not. That seems a lot more germane to a risk management decision than a detailed list of ingredients. I'm sure there are ingredients other than formaldehyde that I can't pronounce. I've had scores of shots in my life and not once have I ever possessed the skills necessary to evaluate the risk based on ingredients.
" It seems that 10s of thousands of medical professionals believe it is a no-brainer in favor of getting the vaccine."
Doctors are not taught very much about vaccines in college. They know next to nothing about them. I once had to go to the walk in clinic to get stitches after an accident. They asked me if I wanted the tetanus vaccine. I declined and told my doctor it ...[text shortened]... ccines harm people since 1986. He didn't believe me.
Doctors know next to nothing about vaccines.
My grandmother used to never wear her seatbelt. She knew someone who's life was saved because he was thrown from his car during a wreck. I reasoned that I'd play the odds, and although I can't possibly involve myself directly in enough wrecks to know first-hand whether or not seat belts save lives, I noticed that the most credible sources all claimed they did. It's possible that everyone was lying, but I just fail to see why they would (and I'm not really one to trust government a whole lot). The only thing I can think of that's worse than trusting government is trusting anecdotal data and strangers on the Internet.
I'd assess my grandmother's plan at risk management to be horrible based on her anecdotal evidence, even though I didn't question the events she cited. My perspective was simply "Tell me which gives me better odds". And I didn't need to know anything about factory seatbelt test regulations to make that decision.
You think that since you went to a conspiracy website and found out a tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde make you more qualified to perform risk management than a doctor? Is it your goal that people follow your advice rather than doctor's advice? Or is it your goal that they "do their own research"? If the latter, why don't we start putting QR Codes on the back of lottery tickets and cigarette packs linking to medical journal articles so that average Americans can make good health choices based on their own access to raw medical research? Just think; With each pack of cigarettes consumed, one more high school dropout will read another medical journal article for themselves. How could that possibly not result in better medical decisions?
@techsouth saidThe tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself. The CDC is my source of information.
But, doctors know a lot about whether their Covid patients have been vaccinated or not. That seems a lot more germane to a risk management decision than a detailed list of ingredients. I'm sure there are ingredients other than formaldehyde that I can't pronounce. I've had scores of shots in my life and not once have I ever possessed the skills necessary to evaluate the r ...[text shortened]... cal journal article for themselves. How could that possibly not result in better medical decisions?
@metal-brain saidI re-read my post to see if I had mistyped something.
The tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself. The CDC is my source of information.
I would like to learn how to communicate better in the future. Can you point to thing in my post that suggested I was claiming there is no formaldehyde in tetanus vaccines? I can't find it.
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@metal-brain saidThe CDC is my source of information.
The tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself. The CDC is my source of information.
Careful; I've worked with CDC members in the past. They are no perfect angels of goodness and absolute truth. Most that I worked with were progressive and left leaning; with a propensity to think that they are above everyone else because of their supposed vast knowledge. BTW I'm a left-leaning moderate.
The CDC is what it is; both good and bad. They are a necessity in many ways.
@metal-brain saidMy source is not a conspiracy website, it is the CDC. The tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself.
The tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself. The CDC is my source of information.
@kingdavid403 saidI agree, but some people need a government website to prove what they are skeptical of before they will believe it. When the known liars they respect so much admit to something they don't like to admit it is a pretty good bet it is true.
The CDC is my source of information.
Careful; I've worked with CDC members in the past. They are no perfect angels of goodness and absolute truth. Most that I worked with were progressive and left leaning; with a propensity to think that they are above everyone else because of their supposed vast knowledge. BTW I'm a left-leaning moderate.
The CDC is what it is; both good and bad. They are a necessity in many ways.
@metal-brain saidHow far down this path do we have to go?
I agree, but some people need a government website to prove what they are skeptical of before they will believe it. When the known liars they respect so much admit to something they don't like to admit it is a pretty good bet it is true.
Who here has claimed that tetanus shots DON'T have formaldehyde?
Does it matter to you that no one here has claimed this?
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@mchill saidNo, no, no.....it's O.K.
FDA Approval of Pfizer gene vaccine ILLEGAL!
So, now you're a legal expert. What law school did you attend? Did you make law review? Did you score high on the bar exam? What are your views on tort reform?
You have no idea what you're talking about Skippy, so why don't you let the courts determine what is illegal and what is not.
The editor of The 'Harvard Law Review',
who was elected President was disliked by these 'moronic gops' too.
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@metal-brain saidI hope everyone understands, as I do,
You are trolling, not debating.
I created this thread. That is not trolling.
Having a hard time ignoring me?
why are you called metal-brain....
And you just keep on proving it, over and over and over again.
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@metal-brain saidit is a pretty good bet it is true.
I agree, but some people need a government website to prove what they are skeptical of before they will believe it. When the known liars they respect so much admit to something they don't like to admit it is a pretty good bet it is true.
To I, it certainly may have some truth to it. However, there clearly is not enough formaldehyde to kill or harm most people; with the tetanus shots of today. I've never heard of it anyway. I have heard of some having bad reactions. I've had several tetanus shots in my life with no side-effects. No one I have ever known has, to my knowledge. So there is some truth to it, but it by no means is the whole truth as presented.
@metal-brain saidSo you risked tetanus rather than get a shot than contains a tiny amount of formaldehyde far less than what is naturally present in the human body? https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/common-ingredients-us-licensed-vaccines
The tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde in it. Go to the CDC website and see for yourself. The CDC is my source of information.
Please don't ever have children.
@techsouth saidYou said this:
How far down this path do we have to go?
Who here has claimed that tetanus shots DON'T have formaldehyde?
Does it matter to you that no one here has claimed this?
"You think that since you went to a conspiracy website and found out a tetanus vaccine has formaldehyde make you more qualified to perform risk management than a doctor?"
I didn't get it from a conspiracy website, I got it from the CDC website. I also never claimed doctors were less qualified to perform risk management. You seem to be making false assumptions. Stop assuming stuff I never said.
@kingdavid403 saidDid I claim there was enough formaldehyde to kill or harm most people?
it is a pretty good bet it is true.
To I, it certainly may have some truth to it. However, there clearly is not enough formaldehyde to kill or harm most people; with the tetanus shots of today. I've never heard of it anyway. I have heard of some having bad reactions. I've had several tetanus shots in my life with no side-effects. No one I have ever known has, to my knowledge. So there is some truth to it, but it by no means is the whole truth as presented.
No, I did not. You must have false assumption syndrome as well.