Originally posted by Positional PlayerWhat does this mean: "there is not a commie teacher that has any devotion to anything but the central committee"?
This post is so idiotic I don't even know why I am bothering to respond.
What does this mean: "there is not a commie teacher that has any devotion to anything but the central committee"?
What are you ideas on "the modern cess pool called education".
Who is making the logical flaw here?
What is wrong with equating a government to a terro ...[text shortened]... communist. Get your facts straight rather than assuming that you know about everything.
Simple. You got a 60/60 instead of a fail. You have a very stupid/inept or both... teacher.
What are you ideas on "the modern cess pool called education".
What is you idea of a fine one? My idea is that a system that turns out people unable to reason is a cess pool.
Who is making the logical flaw here?
What is wrong with equating a government to a terrorist organisation? A government uses terror therefore it is a terrorist organisation.
Well, since you asked, it is that the GOVERNMENT doesn't intentionally kill INNOCENT PEOPLE. Terrorist do. To equate them is a logical flaw.
Thanks for AGAIN proving my point about you pseudo libs. see... "fighting evil is evil".
Edit: Once again, there is a difference between opposition and violent opposition.
Really? Can you tell me what YOU propose as a method to overcome car bombers then? Let's hear it for non-violence. Solve this nasty problem so good people don't have to get blown up.
What is an "archist"?
sorry. Meant it to be "anarchist"... same as you made a mistake above as underlined. Had to resort to "personal attack and derision" to strenthen your lack of logic?
Furthermore, I'm not even a communist. Get your facts straight rather than assuming that you know about everything
Oh you are. You just are not A CONSCIOUS one. You are too unconscious to even KNOW THAT YOU ARE ONE. You support their views on Iraq to a tee. That view is that "It's Wrong! It's an ILLEGAL WAR." Again. See this thread title. "Fighting Evil Is Evil".
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Originally posted by StarValleyWySimple. You got a 60/60 instead of a fail. You have a very stupid/inept or both... teacher.
[b]What does this mean: "there is not a commie teacher that has any devotion to anything but the central committee"?
Simple. You got a 60/60 instead of a fail. You have a very stupid/inept or both... teacher.
What are you ideas on "the modern cess pool called education".
What is you idea of a fine one? My idea is that a 's an ILLEGAL WAR." Again. See this thread title. "Fighting Evil Is Evil".[/b]
I do not agree with your view. Therefore I am stupid. I did well in an English essay. Therefore my English teacher with a degree is very stupid. I got an A* in Additional Mathematics, Mathematics, Double Award Science, English, English Literature, French language, Russian language, Business Studies, Information Communication Technology. Therefore all my examiners, markers and teachers are stupid.
I don't see how my remark there is a logical flaw. The end result is the same.
I find it ironic that you accuse me of being illogical, then come to to conclusion that your hypothesis on an entire group of politics is true based on one person's internet forum posts.
Also ironic: "Can you tell me what YOU propose as a method to overcome car bombers then?" says the guy who advocates blowing people up to combat "terrorism".
I don't see how that query was a personal attack. I merely wished to clarify what you meant.
I say I am not a communist. You say I am a communist. Therefore I am a communist. Oh sweet merciful Christ.
FYI: Just because a view on one topic is the same as another group, does not mean you are one of them. For example, your want to fire missiles at terrorists. The unabomber liked to kill people. Therefore you are the unabomber.
Think before you write, please.
Originally posted by Positional PlayerSigh. All that talent and you can't tell the difference between INTENTIONALLY KILLING INNOCENTS and KILLING THE EVIL KILLERS.
[b]Simple. You got a 60/60 instead of a fail. You have a very stupid/inept or both... teacher.
I do not agree with your view. Therefore I am stupid. I did well in an English essay. Therefore my English teacher with a degree is very stupid. I got an A* in Additional Mathematics, Mathematics, Double Award Science, English, English Literatu ...[text shortened]... iked to kill people. Therefore you are the unabomber.
Think before you write, please.[/b]
This is doubly sad. Who can we say is responsible for your inability to see simple logic and react in a normal way to evil?
Is INTENTIONALLY killing innocents worse than ACCIDENTLY killing innocents? Maybe that is a better way of asking the same question. I think I confused you be involving more than a single thread of thought to the question posed by terrorists.
Think about this. The unabomber killed INNOCENT people without conscience. I have never killed in my life, but would have been glad to kill him in order to prevent him from killing. That is the point you are still missing. You say that had I killed him and thus saved several innocent lives, that I would be as bad or evil as he was. That is why your schooling is "a cess pool". You obviously are smart. But you can't break away from the conditioning you have been subject to long enough to even consider that you may be wrong in supporting terrorists. Again. If you don't oppose evil, you support it through inaction. Inaction is the evil persons friend and ally.
If you as a reader are confused about what Bin Laden is fighting for, then I recommend that you research his official doctrines. One of the first was what has become to be known as "Bin Laden's Afghanistan Declaration" or officially...
"Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places" 1996
This Fatwa was redistributed in 1998 and is universally available in english and other languages. Start there. Then if you find it worthwhile, go back and study the birth of The Brotherhood of Islam and it's intellectual father -- a man named Syed Qutb. Study what you can find in English. It isn't easy. Paul Berman wrote an excellent book on this subject and the founding of Al Queda.
Then study Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Abu-Musab Al-Zarqawi and the other founders and generals of the enemy. If you can believe it, Zawahiri is the "intellectual" father of Al Queda and introduced Bin Laden to the notions of the Brotherhood.
Then decide of this is indeed a war or just an evil trick perpetrated by Bush so we can steal oil. But for cryin' out loud! Stop with the support for these guys. They need to be stopped BEFORE they get nukes.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyJust for curiosity sake how it unintentional to drop bombs on rooms full of women and children. And then just say oops it was unintentional. Did it ever occur to you, that it is YOU who support terrorism by helping to recruit it. You kill my dog I kill your cat. You can make up any name you choose. But when you kill someones child. wife, husband, mother, daughter,or son. You have not made a friend you have made an enemy whom you may not have had before. Of course it's real easy to conceal the fact that you were to blame for their feelings about what you did to their families to cause them to hate you. All you have to do is wrap them up in a package and call them all a terrorist and kill them so no one can hear the other side of the story. You are helping to create what you claim to be fighting while calling yourself a good guy. (Not that you are fighting anyone. You are just mouthing off to make yourself feel justified) Simple truth. You call it war. I call it sin. Please show me in the bible, In the words of Jesus Christ. I am not talking about the words of Moses or some other human non God person, But that of the The words of Christ who came to earth to say no you are doing it all wrong. If you are a Christian then you are supposed to try and be like Christ to the best of your ability. Because if you don't follow his words you are being anything but CHRIST like. He never spoke that he needs man to do his killing. In fact he spoke against it. Please show me scripture and verse so I can read the scripture in full context and not just stop when you get to some word that you like and leave the rest out. I am sure you can't do that, because you make your own abusive rules. You don't like Gods rules. Which is why you probably will say you don't believe. Or say nothing at all. You call yourself the good guy...good be a good guy and stop killing. And I bet you will find others to be more willing to follow. And if they follow willingly you can control. No one and I mean no one wants innocents to die. No one wants Terrorism to occur. That is silly to even suggest it. But to stop it is to stop the madness. Minds and hearts have to change on both sides before everyone kills each other and there is no one left able to breath. Because at that point it no longer matters who is right and who is wrong. There is just WRONG and then just NOTHING. Stop doing the devils work and taking souls to hell. You are not doing Gods work God has fired you.
Sigh. All that talent and you can't tell the difference between INTENTIONALLY KILLING INNOCENTS and KILLING THE EVIL KILLERS.
This is doubly sad. Who can we say is responsible for your inability to see simple logic and react in a normal way to evil?
Is INTENTIONALLY killing innocents worse than ACCIDENTLY killing innocents? Maybe that is a better ...[text shortened]... oppose evil, you support it through inaction. Inaction is the evil persons friend and ally.
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Originally posted by cashthetrashGive me a totally honest answer. What do you think will happen if the US, Israel and Europe do the 'Christlike' thing and destroy all their weapons and withdraw all armed forces.
Just for curiosity sake how it unintentional to drop bombs on rooms full of women and children. And then just say oops it was unintentional. Did it ever occur to you, that it is YOU who support terrorism by helping to recruit it. You kill my dog I kill your cat. You can make up any name you choose. But when you kill someones child. wife, husband, mother g the devils work and taking souls to hell. You are not doing Gods work God has fired you.
Originally posted by Rajk999With Gods guidance(not mans) there could be peace. Many might die. Many are dieing now. But a good example to consider is there are many nations now which are not attacked who do not have these weapons. They pretty much mind their own business. Therefor don't feel a need for them. They choose peace and not war. And are doing good. They have to work hard at it but manage well. Truthfully, I am not sure, maybe we need some council and advise from those who have choose that path, sense we have never really tried. We have always been to violent to try it. But I know this. We or anyone else will never achieve peace through violence. Isn't that what we try to teach gang members. How can we teach not to torture and kill by torturing and killing? Why not try to turn their violent energy away and into something more worthy. Why not teach it to our governments first. After we get the splinter out of our own eyes. Maybe we can see to help remove someone else's. We might find something good we can learn from each of our cultures if we look hard enough for it. All we really need to learn tolerance. We don't have to make a complete withdraw in all regards. We can be peacemakers and supporters. But the last thing we need to be is enemy makers and insulter's. No one is suggesting we turn our backs on our neighbors. But I suggest we use more brain and less brawn.
Give me a totally honest answer. What do you think will happen if the US, Israel and Europe do the 'Christlike' thing and destroy all their weapons and withdraw all armed forces.
Originally posted by cashthetrashI understand. However your plan is only going to work by disarming the aggressors first. One eg of aggressors - those who have said or implied that they would like to destroy another group of people. There are other ways to identify them.
With Gods guidance(not mans) there could be peace. Many might die. Many are dieing now. But a good example to consider is there are many nations now which are not attacked who do not have these weapons. They pretty much mind their own business. Therefor don't feel a need for them. They choose peace and not war. And are doing good. They have to work hard ...[text shortened]... gesting we turn our backs on our neighbors. But I suggest we use more brain and less brawn.
I cant see this being possible without violence.. can you ?
Originally posted by cashthetrashThere are generally two groups of people who call for disarmament: the very naive and the power-mongers. To plead to the better part of man's nature is to ignore all of history, as well as natural intuition/instinct. It is to play Abel to another's Cain.
With Gods guidance(not mans) there could be peace. Many might die. Many are dieing now. But a good example to consider is there are many nations now which are not attacked who do not have these weapons. They pretty much mind their own business. Therefor don't feel a need for them. They choose peace and not war. And are doing good. They have to work hard ...[text shortened]... gesting we turn our backs on our neighbors. But I suggest we use more brain and less brawn.
Taking it a step further, to claim it is Christ-like to structure our governments upon the Beatitudes is sheer ignorance, a complete separation from reality which will emphatically lead to subjugation by those savvy enough to recognize our weakness.
Incidentally, the hot-and-cold of it all, the name-calling among those responsible for bearing the standard only prove the inevitability of the forementioned bondage... if that's all they want to do to us.
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Wishful thinking
To think that if all the western civilizations disarm and leave the middle east alone there will be world peace.
There won't be peace now because there's so much hate among so many ignorant individuals.
Being realistically constructive
To work actively to change the mindset of anyone who speaks for more violence, and whom is trying to justify further killing and mayhem.
Boneheaded stupidity
To say we should use violence to solve the problem of violence because we've done it like that throughout history. Totally disregarding the fact that if what we've done throughout history had actually worked, we wouldn't have to redo it over and over again.
Conclusion
Wars (terrorism depending on point of view) will not cease as long as there are people advocating further violence. As the world looks today it will take a lot of really courageous people to calm down the mind of all the warmongerers. A lot of suffering and pain before it gets better, but it's the only way to truly eradicate the disease; violence. Tolerance, daring and proactively working to change the way people think about violence as a solution, is the only solution.
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The biggest problem is not those crazy terrorists or war thirsty governments. The biggest problem is that we still think about the world as consistent of us and them. Start to think about the world as consistent of a lots of us (gays, hetero's, muslims, christians, buddhists, black, white, red). Then, when a "terrorist" commits an act of violence, it's not that country over there that needs to be eradicated from the map. It's that particular terrorist that needs to be caught and unarmed. It's a police matter and not a question of whether or not a whole country of people should have to suffer for the actions of one group (no matter how large) of crazy extremists.
Originally posted by stockenNow this is what I call bonehead stupidity :
Then, when a "terrorist" commits an act of violence, ....
You see the guy who threatened to kill you (and he already attacked you before) coming up your street with a shotgun, you wait for him to commit the act (shoot your wife and kids) them you disarm him.
Hell no .. You have to take your sniper rifle and shoot him and those who support him 400 yrds down the road.