Originally posted by AThousandYoungReally ?!
If I'm making enough that I'm being taxed four thousand bucks a year then clearly I can afford it. Better me than those poor future generations that get so often brought up in these discussions.
If a tax increase like that is no burden to you...more power to you, friend.
You must live like a spartan then. LOL
I know for me and most I know it's a kick right in the nuts.
Originally posted by utherpendragonNo.
First , are you denying 88% of households in the U.S. will see their taxes raised ?
Second, what is this median household figure you quote about ? 64K per year is not "middle class ? Is that what you are saying ? I dunno.
Third, did Obama not say "anyone making under 250K will not see a raise in their taxes. Period" ?
64K puts you in top 1/3 of household income. I guess that is still "middle class". 108K puts you in about the top 13%. Calling that "middle class" is a bit of a stretch. The chart makes no distinction between that fairly wide spread.
I don't think he ever said there will NEVER be any type of tax increase on those under $250K. He opposes one NOW which is probably foolish. Anyway, I'm not Obama. BTW, the Bush tax cuts when passed were set to expire next month. So what were are talking about is another massive tax cut while we are running a trillion dollar deficit if we extend them.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungBy you saying 'I', you're implying 'you'.
If I'm making enough that I'm being taxed four thousand bucks a year then clearly I can afford it. Better me than those poor future generations that get so often brought up in these discussions.
I don't like being told what to do. I don't like social conservatives who tell people how to live their lives. I don't like liberals restricting my freedoms either. Arbitrarily deciding to raise my taxes reduces my freedom. You don't have the right to decide what I can afford.
One other thing: the biggest reason I dislike paying taxes beyond that which is absolutely necessary to maintain society is that government is so bad at everything they try to do. There's no accountability in government, only fatasses being overpaid doing a mediocre (at best) job.
Originally posted by utherpendragonThe biggest increase to the median household would be the ending of the cut in SS tax. That would make up $900+ or well more than half of the "increase" for those making $46,000. Do you oppose ending that?
Really ?!
If a tax increase like that is no burden to you...more power to you, friend.
You must live like a spartan then. LOL
I know for me and most I know it's a kick right in the nuts.
Originally posted by sasquatch672Sorry, a democratic society has a perfectly legitimate power to decide what taxes the people in it pay.
By you saying 'I', you're implying 'you'.
I don't like being told what to do. I don't like social conservatives who tell people how to live their lives. I don't like liberals restricting my freedoms either. Arbitrarily deciding to raise my taxes reduces my freedom. You don't have the right to decide what I can afford.
One other thing: the bi ...[text shortened]... ntability in government, only fatasses being overpaid doing a mediocre (at best) job.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe only organizations I know that make people pay to work are unions. Businesses don't make people pay - what are you talking about?
How many times do I need to tell you that the richest people are capitalists and they don't labor - they make the laborers pay them some of the fruits of their labor. For someone as arrogant about economics knowledge to keep making that mistake is evidence of a lack of personal honesty on your part.
Originally posted by sasquatch672Capitalists are not businesses. Businesses have to pay capitalists. Its usually called overhead or interest on loans which if not paid leads to seizure of collateral.
The only organizations I know that make people pay to work are unions. Businesses don't make people pay - what are you talking about?
Capitalists get paid for what they legally own, not for labor. Workers do the labor. This is capitalism 101. Its what the word "capitalism" means.
Originally posted by sasquatch672What about entitlement reform? Seems to me the fact that the medical industry, being owned by insurance companies and lawyers, ensures the 6% growth rate in medical expenses per year, far outstripping the economy's inflation rate of around 2% or less. I think THAT is the problem.
It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't address the real problem of entitlements.
Explain to me the logic of raising taxes but not addressing entitlement reform.
You go to almost any other country and you find great medical service for far less.
Face it, the US public is lining the pockets of the drug industry and they are knowingly jacking up prices way past any inflation index because they CAN.
So why isn't the government doing anything to reign in these ever mounting costs?
Well, gee, it might be because the flipping politicians are in their pockets, mainly republican bastards who WANT small government so they won't have to do any of the dirty work of actually controlling these financial vampires feeding off the trough of Americans. They LOVE small government so they can claim we are helping the economy by not taxing you little people.
They then roll over an play dead when a money grubbing vampire company dumps toxic waste next to a school, or the working conditions at places like the Amazon warehouses have no air conditioning or heating and the workers fry or freeze, fluck em, put on a jacket you lowlife.
You mean THAT entitlement program?
Originally posted by sasquatch672If the amount of money is that small, then why does it bring down the American way of life as you know it?
The number of days that the expiry of the Bush tax cuts will fund the government.
Moon, Soothfast - why are you willing to do serious, and long-lasting, injury to this country over an amount of money that small?