@AverageJoe1 saidYou clearly live in a twisted version what you THINK is the present.
How many here agree with me, that who started the war is quite irrelevant at this juncture. Personally, I do not care who started the war. If it was started by the people in Bangladesh, I would not care. Why would that be important, when we are simply trying to stop what was started?. Maybe Sonhouse can write a book on all of this one day, I wonder who would read it. I am not a past history kind of guy, I live in the moment.
Russia attacked Ukraine because they want to rebuild the Soviet empire. That is PUTIN wants to rebuild the soviet empire.
So now Trump says UKRAINE started the war which is an utter lie.
It DOES matter who started the war because the peace and stability of ALL of Europe can depend on the outcome of the Ukraine war.
That so called deal they are working up in Saudi Arabia, NOT inviting Zelenskyy to the talks is a total politically motivated snub.
That POS deal goes, Here Russia, you get 20% of Ukraine now, leaving no ports open for Ukraine, no way to ship their massive farm products.
What in the HELL would make you think that is a great settlement? Trump is kissing Putin's ass every time they talk.
Trump even LITERALLY said on TV, and I quote, "Russia, you can do whatever the HELL you want''.
So how does this in any way help secure our borders from foreign invaders, I mean MILITARY invaders not families fleeing persecution in their own countries.
Our government is being so FUUKED right now, what the HELL would we do if say Russia says they want Alaska back, which BTW they HAVE been saying for years now.
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@Cliff-Mashburn said
I can't open that link.
How about something we can look at?
Trump is talking total BULL S H I T.
If he was POTUS the war would never have started.
That is utter rot, for one thing, the war started in 2014 when Russia took Crimea from Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
Trump acts like the war began 3 years ago, it really stared in 2014 and all these so called talks are about is giving Russia 30% of Ukrainian territory.
Trump sucks up to Putin every time they talk to each other.
Now Trump is screwing our allies with Europe wanting to pull out of NATO.
https://www.euronews.com/2025/02/19/trump-says-ukraine-never-should-have-started-war-with-russia-following-us-russia-talks-in-
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@sonhouse saidYeah....hey, check out the latest talking points on lib media. They are ALL saying 'constitutional crisis', working it in to every thing they say.
You clearly live in a twisted version what you THINK is the present.
Russia attacked Ukraine because they want to rebuild the Soviet empire. That is PUTIN wants to rebuild the soviet empire.
So now Trump says UKRAINE started the war which is an utter lie.
It DOES matter who started the war because the peace and stability of ALL of Europe can depend on the outcome of t ...[text shortened]... would we do if say Russia says they want Alaska back, which BTW they HAVE been saying for years now.
What is the crisis? A simple, honest, unblemished man (Musk) making every effort to save money in our government. Do you try to save money at the kitchen table discussions every evening? Do you tell the kids that whatever they get in the future, that they will have to work for. How high is your debt service? But are you still going to keep 3 yardmen when just one will do?
I am just asking.
You libs will not take a question straight on. Try saying that the government should not hire more people than they need. If you do, people may actually read one of your tomes from start to finish!!!!
Why arent you jumping up and down celebrating the advent of efficiecy and prosperity. ?? You have been in govt, you tell us all the time. Can you tell us how hard it is to fire a govt employee?
Are illegals getting SS payments? Sonhouse? Do I have to beat you into the groiund about all this? You have no leg to stand on. YOU are NOT watching the proper news. FOURTEEN MILLION for social cohesion in Mali.
You libs got nuthin'. Dont be the last person on the caboose.
@AverageJoe1 saidMUSK? A "Simple" "Honest" man? Jebesus how deluded are you anyway? Does your ethics say it is ok for Musk to be tearing apart our government while at the same time LITERALLY getting a FOUR HUNDRED MILLION dollar contract with the government for CYBERTRUCKS?
Yeah....hey, check out the latest talking points on lib media. They are ALL saying 'constitutional crisis', working it in to every thing they say.
What is the crisis? A simple, honest, unblemished man (Musk) making every effort to save money in our government. Do you try to save money at the kitchen table discussions every evening? Do you tell the kids that whatever ...[text shortened]... ople than they need. If you do, people may actually read one of your tomes from start to finish!!!!
You don't see that as Quid Pro Quo?
@sonhouse saidHold on, just too much as usual...
MUSK? A "Simple" "Honest" man? Jebesus how deluded are you anyway? Does your ethics say it is ok for Musk to be tearing apart our government while at the same time LITERALLY getting a FOUR HUNDRED MILLION dollar contract with the government for CYBERTRUCKS?
You don't see that as Quid Pro Quo?
You say he is not a simple honest man? A genius can still be simple man, maybe shoot hoops in the back yard with his grandson X? And he has meager assets relatively speaking sleeps on the floor. You don't know that he sleeps on the floor??? , to be close to his work, which is work to save our country??????????????
Why would the riches man in the world find some reason to not be honest?
I googled 'does Musk tear apart our government', nothing to that effect. Hey, if I fire 2 of my 3 yardmen, am I tearing apart my yard? What am I tearing apart?
Sonhouse?
oooohhhhhh sonhouse
@beardmusic saidShould you not be responding to the disdain for free speech in the UK? Brrrrrr
@AverageJoe1
Your naïveté is almost touching!
@AverageJoe1 saidMusk grew up as a privileged white boy upbringing in South Africa during Apartheid times.
Hold on, just too much as usual...
You say he is not a simple honest man? A genius can still be simple man, maybe shoot hoops in the back yard with his grandson X? And he has meager assets relatively speaking sleeps on the floor. You don't know that he sleeps on the floor??? , to be close to his work, which is work to save our country??????????????
Why would ...[text shortened]... 3 yardmen, am I tearing apart my yard? What am I tearing apart?
Sonhouse?
oooohhhhhh sonhouse
He HATED IT when USAID helped to stomp out Apartheid and carries that hatred of USAID to this day and that is EXACTLY why he killed it.
AND people started dying the VERY NEXT day from like one lady who depended LITERALLY for an O2 machine to keep her alive and funds stopped dead in the water, so she DIED. and MANY more stories like that but I guess you don't give a rats as WHO dies, just repuking the BS Musk lies about, massive fraud in USAID, when in ABSOLUTE FACT what they found and said was a 57,000 charge that was improper or maybe even real fraud, so shut down a multibillion dollar organization fending of LITERAL starvation for MILLIONS around the world and for instance stopping American doctors running an Ebola campaign in Uganda where people are dying from Ebola and now they had to stop so nobody is there with the expertise to deal with that terrible disease and it is only a matter of time before some dude with Ebola gets on a plane bound for LaGuardia or Chicago or whatever and starts yet another outbreak in the US.
This is a real possibility and you cannot in all honesty ignore it.
Musk killed USAID. LAUGHING no doubt when people started dying the VERY NEXT DAY.
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It all hangs on what is meant by 'free speech.'
No political theorist has ever argued that being able to say anything you like regardless of its basis in truth or fiction is a cornerstone of a free (democratic) society. Most democratic theorists were snobs by today's standards (claiming only men and those with property should be able to vote) and they certainly wouldn't have advocated for the free-for-all that we are witnessing now. There needs to be a lot more empathy and humility in what people claim is 'true' rather than simply parroting any opinion that reinforces their own assumptions and beliefs.
@beardmusic saidFree speech should not tolerate LITERAL NAZI's from rioting and screaming at folks because those folks don't want NAZI white power here in the US or anywhere else in the world.
@AverageJoe1
It all hangs on what is meant by 'free speech.'
No political theorist has ever argued that being able to say anything you like regardless of its basis in truth or fiction is a cornerstone of a free (democratic) society. Most democratic theorists were snobs by today's standards (claiming only men and those with property should be able to vote) and they certai ...[text shortened]... s 'true' rather than simply parroting any opinion that reinforces their own assumptions and beliefs.
Just like free speech does not condone yelling FIRE in a crowded theater when there is no such threat.
Do you think it is a free speech issue when the Proud boys recently marched around DARING people to disagree with their BULLCRAP?
BTW, I have a beard. AND I do music🙂
I'm going way out on a limb here thinking maybe you make music?
I compose acoustic tunes on guitar, mandolin, dulcimer, banjo, fiddle and keyboards and have now 458 tracks on Soundcloud with a few songs from my family also. I am an instrumentalist, leave the singing for those who are good at it.
@sonhouse saidNo offense, man , but this really a boring post. You write to yourself.
Musk grew up as a privileged white boy upbringing in South Africa during Apartheid times.
He HATED IT when USAID helped to stomp out Apartheid and carries that hatred of USAID to this day and that is EXACTLY why he killed it.
AND people started dying the VERY NEXT day from like one lady who depended LITERALLY for an O2 machine to keep her alive and funds stopped dead in th ...[text shortened]... esty ignore it.
Musk killed USAID. LAUGHING no doubt when people started dying the VERY NEXT DAY.
And slander . (Musk laughed at people dying). Really rank, Sonhouse. You are truly losing it.
Musk is, with assist from our EPA Administrator, moving to recoverer $20B in Climate Funds, we call it clawing it back.
Should we, or should we not?
@beardmusic saidI have never called any post word salad, a Kamala technique, but yours is.
@AverageJoe1
It all hangs on what is meant by 'free speech.'
No political theorist has ever argued that being able to say anything you like regardless of its basis in truth or fiction is a cornerstone of a free (democratic) society. Most democratic theorists were snobs by today's standards (claiming only men and those with property should be able to vote) and they certai ...[text shortened]... s 'true' rather than simply parroting any opinion that reinforces their own assumptions and beliefs.
You are the Brit, you have your own definition of Freedom, please regale us.
@AverageJoe1 saidI want an across-the-board cut in spending to so that we can start paying down the debt. EVERY agency, every department - defense, the works. 😆
If you want to have a normal conversation, tell us one thing that we want to claw back that you would not have agreed with. Pick one out, and be serious be real and pick out the money that was sent for the drag queen’s, the teaching other countries how to vote, the comic books about trans sent somewhere down into South America.etc but such as that. Be real.
They can do that. They have the votes.
I don't want it done by a dictator - never. 😆
@AverageJoe1 saidYou continue to believe the propaganda puked out by your hero Musk and your deity Trump.
No offense, man , but this really a boring post. You write to yourself.
And slander . (Musk laughed at people dying). Really rank, Sonhouse. You are truly losing it.
Musk is, with assist from our EPA Administrator, moving to recoverer $20B in Climate Funds, we call it clawing it back.
Should we, or should we not?
They are lying, there is NO multi billion dollar ANYTHING going back into the government budget.
And you don't believe repubs are trying to raise the ND FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS either.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/doge-days-musk-trump-tout-cuts-fraud-claims-are-debunked-rcna192217
@sonhouse saidThankyou . A. neatly presented post for a change. Doing this elicits answers from oher posters which gives you something to gee haw about. Most of your posts are impossible to reply to.
You continue to believe the propaganda puked out by your hero Musk and your deity Trump.
They are lying, there is NO multi billion dollar ANYTHING going back into the government budget.
And you don't believe repubs are trying to raise the ND FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS either.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/doge-days-musk-trump-tout-cuts-fraud-claims-are-debunked-rcna192217
I do believe in Trump and Musk, but you soil your post by saying 'propoganda', without explanation. Just as well, though, as if you try to explain it, with about 10 paragraphs, it will all be your opinion. Oh, and your predictions. Not much for a guy to hang any responses on.
You flip out the next sentence, like Suzy,,,,"They are lying!" Sonhouse, Musk just today announced they will attempt to claw back $20M from one of the agencies. How is that a lie???
If Trump is trying to increase the budget, up to $40T, I think, like everything, it is all a part of his plan. Hey, Guatamala is already green, greener than us. USAID sent $26M down there to help them go Green. Half the country is rain forest, little feller. They sent $73M to decarbonize Africa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,which has never been carbonized. YOu know chemistry. Crazy, huh???