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05 Apr 06
Originally posted by Brother EdwinSorry, this has already been done.
Free will does not exist at all. Everything is a product of cause and effect. Down to the atom.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=36301
And also in the moral responsibility thread on the spirituality forum.
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05 Apr 06
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeNo, of your own will. Thus since this is causality you could never have acted otherwise and must have no free will.
Of my own free will, I am determined not to respond.
Also, be careful when you say "of you own free will" you use the words "free will" in a different way to what Brother Edwin meant.
05 Apr 06
Originally posted by Conrau KObviously, my attempt at irony failed. Luckily, if determinism is true, it wasn't my fault, as I couldn't have done otherwise.
No, of your own will. Thus since this is causality you could never have acted otherwise and must have no free will.
Also, be careful when you say "of you own free will" you use the words "free will" in a different way to what Brother Edwin meant.
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06 Apr 06
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeSlow down a bit. IF determinism is true? I'm sure i'll hear some quantum mechanical indeterminacy any time now... but I should warn you, such indeterminacy is random. So if determinacy is true then it "isn't your fault". But if determinism is false, then your actions are random.
Obviously, my attempt at irony failed. Luckily, if determinism is true, it wasn't my fault, as I couldn't have done otherwise.
06 Apr 06
Originally posted by Conrau KIn english please.
Slow down a bit. IF determinism is true? I'm sure i'll hear some quantum mechanical indeterminacy any time now... but I should warn you, such indeterminacy is random. So if determinacy is true then it "isn't your fault". But if determinism is false, then your actions are random.