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  1. 20 Feb '15 04:44 / 1 edit
    “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

    Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1956

    Khrushchev predicted that America, the omnipotent world superpower would fall. It would not fall to superior military prowess, but to the insidious incursion of socialistic pressure from our “elected leaders” which would destroy our economy and bring about our demise. Little did we suspect that fifty years earlier he had actually named the primary weapon which would be used against the citizens of the United States to bring about this demise. His most remembered words were:
    ” . . . we will bury you”
  2. 20 Feb '15 07:03
    Sounds like Krushchev was wrong. Of course, he was talking in the 50s, when democratic socialism still influenced American politics in a minor way.
  3. 20 Feb '15 10:16
    I recommend trying a different news channel.
  4. 20 Feb '15 11:03
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

    Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1956

    Khrushchev predic ...[text shortened]... ed States to bring about this demise. His most remembered words were:
    ” . . . we will bury you”
    slippery slope fallacy

    look it up.
  5. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    20 Feb '15 15:18
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    slippery slope fallacy

    look it up.
    Not all slippery slopes are fallacies. Every year thousands of pages of new regulation is added to the state machine, many could be called socialistic in nature.
  6. 20 Feb '15 18:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Not all slippery slopes are fallacies. Every year thousands of pages of new regulation is added to the state machine, many could be called socialistic in nature.
    It remains a slippery slope fallacy.

    Its also funny how you slipped in that 'could be'.

    You also seem to be confusing communism with socialism. I would sure hope that many new regulations are socialistic in nature.
  7. Standard member Quarl
    Quarl
    20 Feb '15 19:18
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Not all slippery slopes are fallacies. Every year thousands of pages of new regulation is added to the state machine, many could be called socialistic in nature.
    Mr. Wajoma: How could you expose yourself to be so wrong headed? Aren't you aware of all the major advancements to the human condition that were created by government. We could still reside in caves if not for a benevolent Kampf.

    Following is a short list:

    · Magnetic Compass
    · Magnifying Lenses
    · Johannes Gutenberg - Printing Press
    · Bessemer Process Steel
    · Electric Light Bulb
    · Bell Laboratories Transistors
    · Telegraph
    · Telephone
    · Louis Pasteur and Joseph Lister – Bacteria
    · Alexander Fleming – Penicillin
    · Thomas Savery – External Combustion Engine
    · Nikola Tesla – AC Current

    You should know normal, common people can't do things like this on their own. They must be kept on correct track by regulation and mandates. Please adjust your thinking immediately comrade.

    In case you failed to notice..tongue firmly in cheek
  8. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    21 Feb '15 00:59
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    It remains a slippery slope fallacy.

    Its also funny how you slipped in that 'could be'.

    You also seem to be confusing communism with socialism. I would sure hope that many new regulations are socialistic in nature.
    A direction can be defined by a regular pattern, every year the state grows, I can think of no country as an example contrary to this, and most definitely on an average the world slips further into statism. That's no fallacy, the thing has momentum, it is a slippery slope to a bad place.

    There is nothing "funny" about the use of the term "could be" I accept that the definition of socialism is contentious, more accurate would be collectivism which has crossovers with both socialism and communism, the common theme being the subjection of the individual to the collective, or state.

    This is a general consistent direction.

    Funny how you slipped in that "seem to be".
  9. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    21 Feb '15 02:39
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

    Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1956

    Khrushchev predic ...[text shortened]... ed States to bring about this demise. His most remembered words were:
    ” . . . we will bury you”
    Thanks for that update, Senator McCarthy.
  10. 21 Feb '15 08:13
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    A direction can be defined by a regular pattern, every year the state grows,
    The fallacy is to assume that growth to be necessarily infinite.

    I can think of no country as an example contrary to this,
    Well all that tells us is how ignorant you are.

    and most definitely on an average the world slips further into statism.
    Again, that tells us about your ignorance more than about the world.
    And again, you are confusing communism with statism.

    There is nothing "funny" about the use of the term "could be"
    Its funny because your statement could be meaning just about anything. Any policy ever made could be interpreted as socialist or statist if you try hard enough.
  11. 21 Feb '15 09:10
    Originally posted by Quarl
    Mr. Wajoma: How could you expose yourself to be so wrong headed? Aren't you aware of all the major advancements to the human condition that were created by government. We could still reside in caves if not for a benevolent Kampf.

    Following is a short list:

    · Magnetic Compass
    · Magnifying Lenses
    · Johannes Gutenberg - Printing Press
    · Bessemer Process ...[text shortened]... thinking immediately comrade.

    In case you failed to notice..tongue firmly in cheek
    Using the Internet to communicate this point really hammers it down.
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    21 Feb '15 10:19
    Originally posted by Quarl
    Mr. Wajoma: How could you expose yourself to be so wrong headed? Aren't you aware of all the major advancements to the human condition that were created by government. We could still reside in caves if not for a benevolent Kampf.

    Following is a short list:

    · Magnetic Compass
    · Magnifying Lenses
    · Johannes Gutenberg - Printing Press
    · Bessemer Process ...[text shortened]... thinking immediately comrade.

    In case you failed to notice..tongue firmly in cheek
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    Interesting exercise. Take any one subheading from your list (here the external combustion engine) and find a next level of detail to produce an expanded list.

    The length of the list will not actually add the slightest additional credibility to an ill considered and irrational form of argument. It might make you feel good but it contributes nothing whatever to debate. You reproduce these futile assertions of your ideology in the same fruitless way that debates on spirituality proceed in never ending circles to no effect.
  13. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    21 Feb '15 10:57
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    ...the common theme being the subjection of the individual to the collective, or state.

    This is a general consistent direction.....
    Much more preferable to have the masses subjugated by the 1% of individuals who disproportionately control the wealth of the world. Your freedom makes sense!
  14. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    21 Feb '15 12:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Much more preferable to have the masses subjugated by the 1% of individuals who disproportionately control the wealth of the world. Your freedom makes sense!
    When buying and selling are controlled by legislation the first to be bought and sold are the legislators.

    The greater the state's control of the economy the more they have to sell, a vicious circle. Want to do something about that? Reduce guvamint interfance.
  15. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    21 Feb '15 12:10
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Hot air engines, Steam engines, Steam turbine, Carnot heat engine, Crookes radiometer, Thomas Newcomen, Thomas Savery, Newcomen steam engine, Stirling engine, Marine steam engine, History of the steam engine, Traction engine, Boiler, Compound locomotive, Applications of the Stirling engine, Corliss steam engine, Compound engine, Portable engine, Advanced st ...[text shortened]... he same fruitless way that debates on spirituality proceed in never ending circles to no effect.
    lolol we've seen your example, one department in one state creates a code. While in another department in another state they try to break that code. An example of the broken window fallacy if ever there were one.