07 Mar 07
Originally posted by Starrmanyes, it is a crime. it is not enough that we make a lot of children, we must make retarded children? that guy's lawyer uses typical lawyer logic. If other people(retarded and/or with hereditary diseases) do a bad thing, why can't this guy do it?
Incest is socially abhored, and probably originally with some reason (bad genetic transfer and the propensity for disease in progeny), but a crime in itself? No.
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhy is it a crime?
yes, it is a crime. it is not enough that we make a lot of children, we must make retarded children? that guy's lawyer uses typical lawyer logic. If other people(retarded and/or with hereditary diseases) do a bad thing, why can't this guy do it?
Your argument rests on exactly the same principle as the lawyer, that of children with hereditary diseases. Do you advocate the criminalising of bringing such children into the world? Such children are born into the world all the time from perfectly 'normal' parents.
07 Mar 07
exactly. people with hereditary diseases that are sure to pass them to their children shouldn't procreate. what parent would condemn his child to a life of suffering? the problem is that we cannot forbid these people to procreate because we don't know for sure how some of these things are transmited yet. but we do know that close relatives shouldn't have children together.
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by Starrmanthere is a risk of course that normal parents produce handicapped children. but brother and sister almost always have abnormal children, insufficient genetic material. and no i don't agree with that lawyer, didn't i say he has a faulty logic?
Why is it a crime?
Your argument rests on exactly the same principle as the lawyer, that of children with hereditary diseases. Do you advocate the criminalising of bringing such children into the world? Such children are born into the world all the time from perfectly 'normal' parents.
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziLets try again.
there is a risk of course that normal parents produce handicapped children. but brother and sister almost always have abnormal children, insufficient genetic material. and no i don't agree with that lawyer, didn't i say he has a faulty logic?
Why is it a crime?
Do you advocate the criminalisation of bringing childrenwith hereditary diseases into the world?
Brother and sister do not always have abnormal children, there is a high chance of hereditary disease, but it is possible to have perfectly normal progeny.
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt's probably best to sterilise them ey?
exactly. people with hereditary diseases that are sure to pass them to their children shouldn't procreate. what parent would condemn his child to a life of suffering? the problem is that we cannot forbid these people to procreate because we don't know for sure how some of these things are transmited yet. but we do know that close relatives shouldn't have children together.
Man you would have had an astronomical (but short) career with Messrs Heydrich and Himmler.
'People with heredity diseases', that is such a large group, where do you draw the line?
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by knightwestfirst you don't sterilize them, people should be responsible enough to see a doctor and wear a condom if the doctor tells them their kid is likely to be handicapped in any way.
It's probably best to sterilise them ey?
Man you would have had an astronomical (but short) career with Messrs Heydrich and Himmler.
'People with heredity diseases', that is such a large group, where do you draw the line?
before i have children, i will see a doctor. 10 % my future child will be handicapped is unacceptable. i will not have 10% chance my kid will be condemned to a life of pain. you would marry your sister or your mother and 90% chance your children will be handicapped is ok with you. i don't see how i am the psycho and not you
secondly, we already tell people what to do. chinese people were expected to be responsible enough to not have 10 children. but when the chinese government saw that they weren't, they made it illegal for them to have more than 1(i believe that is the limit, corect me if i am wrong)
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by Starrmanand yes, let's try again, it seems i am talking(writing) to walls here. yes damn it i am "advocating the criminalisation of bringin children with hereditary diseases in the world". didn't i make myself clear? people who risk condemning their future children to a life of misery and dependency are criminals.
Lets try again.
Why is it a crime?
Do you advocate the criminalisation of bringing childrenwith hereditary diseases into the world?
Brother and sister do not [b]always have abnormal children, there is a high chance of hereditary disease, but it is possible to have perfectly normal progeny.[/b]
and don't give me the stephen hawking and beethoven argument because it is not the case.
07 Mar 07
Originally posted by ZahlanziOkay, thanks for playing Adolf.
and yes, let's try again, it seems i am talking(writing) to walls here. yes damn it i am "advocating the criminalisation of bringin children with hereditary diseases in the world". didn't i make myself clear? people who risk condemning their future children to a life of misery and dependency are criminals.
and don't give me the stephen hawking and beethoven argument because it is not the case.
07 Mar 07
reproduction is supposed to enlarge and enrich our population. that is why we don't marry our sisters or mothers, so we have a greater chance to find someone with whom we can produce extraordinary offspring. anything that can be done to ensure this is okay, including not to have children if you carry a genetic disease.
egypt had a great civilisation but all throughout its history it had periods of greatness and periods of decline mainly because they were led by a retarded pharaoh born out of generations of inbreeding.
the right to procreate is not a fundamental right. if it helps mankind, why be selfish and stubborn? if you have a history of schizophrenia in your family, why in the world would you have children? 10% chance your kid would have it and it still would be too much.