Nowadays, the environment is of great concern to most people who think. Some say every effort should be made to restore our planet home to a condition more nurturing of life. Others say that environmentalists are barking up the wrong tree and miss the point entirely: nature as we know it is doomed, and all available resources should be invested in getting our hides the hell off this planet! "Humanity's destiny lies in space". Thoughts?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageMaybe we should work out when we must stop breeding. 🙁😕
Nowadays, the environment is of great concern to most people who think. Some say every effort should be made to restore our planet home to a condition more nurturing of life. Others say that environmentalists are barking up the wrong tree and miss the point entirely: nature as we know it is doomed, and all available resources should be invested in getting our hides the hell off this planet! "Humanity's destiny lies in space". Thoughts?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageHumanity's destiny lies in fiddling while Rome burns.
Nowadays, the environment is of great concern to most people who think. Some say every effort should be made to restore our planet home to a condition more nurturing of life. Others say that environmentalists are barking up the wrong tree and miss the point entirely: nature as we know it is doomed, and all available resources should be invested in getting our hides the hell off this planet! "Humanity's destiny lies in space". Thoughts?
As a German ( we are world champion in saving the nature e.g. we seperate our waste for paper, green point (cans and polyester which will be melted and used again), glass bottles, natural waste and rest waste) I see it a little different.
On the other hand the Germans are using drinking water in the shower and the toilet whereas for example in spain you use "using water" for shower and toilet and only use drinking water for drinking (obviosly ;-), cooking and brushing your teeth.
The poster is true about saying that in a few years the trend of the eart warming up will not be stoppable any more.
The problem is IMHO the dimensions.
When you think of a factory e.g. in Germany there are houses and people living benear it as the whole country is crouded with people (get a map and look for Germany tiny sizes and then watch out how many people live here !).
In america you can build a factory and around 100 miles there don´t need to be any inhabitants.
The ol´ saying of the american farmer: It takes me three day to drive around my fields with my car !" And the typical response of a Germany farmer: Hell, I used to have such a car, too ! Does make sense when you look for the dimensions of the US country.
Think of the Chinese 1.soandso billion people. They have all rights to get to the point like us where every family owns at least one car. But it would be the end to the world we know.
Many thinks that civilizations will only be able to reach space when they first solute all planetar problems like pollution, war etc.
Therefore I think instead of developing super weapons we should research for renewble Energy resources and other possibilities to.
As good ol´ Indian chief sitting bull said:
Only if the last fish is caught, the last bull shot, the last tree cut and the last river polluted you will realize you can not eat money.
Amen
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI wish that was a viable alternative, getting the hell off the
Nowadays, the environment is of great concern to most people who think. Some say every effort should be made to restore our planet home to a condition more nurturing of life. Others say that environmentalists are barking up the wrong tree and miss the point entirely: nature as we know it is doomed, and all available resources should be invested in getting our hides the hell off this planet! "Humanity's destiny lies in space". Thoughts?
planet but we could not start a colony ATT anywhere in the
solar systm. If we tried colonizing the moon, we would not find
enough resources there for a lasting colony even if we find water
there, too much other stuff missing, like carbon or nitrogen just
to name a couple of examples. Mars might be a better choice since
it has more resources but I think we will never think about a
real self-supporting colony till its too late. Like Joni said:
You don't know what you've got till its gone, Paved paradise,
put up a parking lot.
I think the greatest problem is the distance and the time to get to those planet able to bear live.
And the question remains:
We were given a planet which is realy unnormal. Not to warm not to cold much water an atmposphere and its not poisonous or radiated.
Scientiest calculated the chance of the planet to develop in such a way at its position under these circumstances and it was 0,00000000000000000000 and so on until anywhere 1 % follows.
But what have mankind done: OOH mommy I broke my toy get my a new one.
Childplay, pure childplay.
Wake up people and save your world before its to late. If not for you than for menkind or your grandchildren.
I will now drink some healthy unchlorined German water from the tap.
(German Water is underrunning extremely hard laws. Some say whe have the best drinking water in the world. I say: Yo !
Originally posted by Bosse de NageExcellent thread, and I agree with you.
Nowadays, the environment is of great concern to most people who think. Some say every effort should be made to restore our planet home to a condition more nurturing of life. Others say that environmentalists are barking up the wrong ...[text shortened]... off this planet! "Humanity's destiny lies in space". Thoughts?
I suppose that I am more cynical than you. I made the statement to sonhouse last week that "I really don't think we can take care of ourselves. Nevermind the damned planet."
And I believe this.
I believe we are stupidly helpless because of the following: there is no reason to take a risk when people have proven themselves perfectly content with dwindling freedom and no expectations of a better future.
Only a patriot cares a whit about "freedom", so don't hold your breath trying to enlist anyone into going out with "a mule and a dream" to explore the astroids.
I'm too old now to do much physical work. But I will go anyway. If you can offer me absolutely no guarantee of "safety" and the chances of survival are at least 15%.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI agree with you? He didn't make a stance on anything, just gave
Excellent thread, and I agree with you.
I suppose that I am more cynical than you. I made the statement to sonhouse last week that "I really don't think we can take care of ourselves. Nevermind the damned planet."
And I believe this.
I believe we are stupidly helpless because of the following: there is no reason to take a risk when people ha ...[text shortened]... can offer me absolutely no guarantee of "safety" and the chances of survival are at least 15%.
two views. how can you agree with both sides?
Originally posted by sonhouseBecause he stated absolutely that "humanities destiny lies in space."
I agree with you? He didn't make a stance on anything, just gave
two views. how can you agree with both sides?
Obviously. Is it wrong to agree with an obviously and boldly stated opinion? Why? Unless the quotes didn't signify his opinion. That's what they are for, you know.
Unless the quotes didn't signify his opinion.Sonhouse is correct: I didn't take a stance. However, SVWy must have a certain level of intuition: I am persuaded that people must live in space and enjoy the freedom of a new set of restrictions (although at heart I concur with Shavixmir's philosophy of rot). All kinds of independent communities--democratic to totalitarian--could be created, even one for scipio7...7 (fascist nursery environments for the terminally innocent). Alienation could provide a much needed stimulus for the collective imagination, which seems to have imploded.
All that would be needed for space exploration to proceed would be a viable business plan. I've always thought the first asteroid miners would be death row inmates with a ton of circuitry wired into their twitching brains...I have a lurid imagination.