Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0014mkh/panorama-a-cows-life-the-true-cost-of-milk
In the U.S., lobbyists with deep pockets prevent legislation for more humane treatment of animals. Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie rejected bills that would ban the enclosure of pigs so tight that they can't even more their heads:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/chris-christies-pig-problem/382654/
Since politicians will either be slow to act on or even prevent legislation that will prevent cruelty to animals, what if they were given mood-enhancing drugs like ecstasy? It's the very least we can do to make their experiences as painless as possible, maybe even helping them to enjoy their lives.
Testing ecstasy on animals has been done before:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16510478/
And here is an article on the use of ecstasy on octopuses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
@vivify saidI don't disagree that animals are often treated terribly in the meat industry, but why is giving them ecstasy cruel?
Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.c ...[text shortened]... ses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
Edit: Oh, are you saying that's a good thing because it's not cruel?
@vivify saidDoesn't it pass through the milk?
Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.c ...[text shortened]... ses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
Many drugs do.
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@vivify saidCome to discover, octopi are
Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.c ...[text shortened]... ses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
very intelligent.
@sh76 saidIt would be a good thing because it would help animals deal with the cruelty they suffer. At least until legislation is passed for much more humane treatment.
Edit: Oh, are you saying that's a good thing because it's not cruel?
I don't disagree that animals are often treated terribly in the meat industry
They are. Their treatment is utterly immoral. See the BBC link in the OP, or the link about Chris Christie.
@suzianne saidYes. But those cows are already given antibiotics, growth hormones, medicines, etc. Maybe ecstasy/MDMA could a drug that is safe to give to livestock raised for human consumption.
Doesn't it pass through the milk?
Many drugs do.
EDIT: Here's a short list of drugs approved for cows:
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/cattle-estrous-cycle-and-fda-approved-animal-drugs-control-and-synchronize-estrus-resource-producers
Those are drugs specifically related to cattle estrous cycles, so this doesn't even include growth hormones, antibiotics, etc.
@vivify saidI live in (Tirau) the Waikato NZ, a place heavily dairy with milk factories dotted here and there.
Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.c ...[text shortened]... ses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
Farmers have to be very nice to dairy cows because when they're not happy they turn off the tap. Being a good dairy farmer means knowing how to keep your cows happy or it's going to cost you big time.
Townies (non country folk) should stick to wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth about solar powered cars and other fantasies.
E should be legal for people and cows.
@vivify saidThat is an increased expense for no benefit to humanity. Nobody is going to want to pay for this and it will worry consumers that it will affect the quality of the product.
Farm animals are treated in cruel, inhumane ways.
This includes animals being kept in cramp, tight cages where they can barely move, for hours, days or even weeks at a time. They're injected with all manor of hormones, live in filth, and often never see the outside of the factory they're kept in.
Below is a BBC documentary on the inhumane treatment of cows:
bbc.c ...[text shortened]... ses:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/24/drugged-octopuses-animals-humans-ecstasy
@vivify
I have worked on farms so I've seen the cruelty.
The problem with drugs that make you "feel better" is your tolerance goes up quickly and coming down is horrible so you would have to keep them constantly high.
So how much do you give to a 1200 pound cow?
After a month you would have to double the dosage.
They might go into a rage or try to have sex with everything...which is how I felt on E 🤔
Then you have to deal with every junky and his brother breaking into farms looking for the goods.
What will those drugs do to the meat?
I've seen junkies and they don't look like a healthy slab of meat.
@contenchess saidGood points here.
@vivify
I have worked on farms so I've seen the cruelty.
The problem with drugs that make you "feel better" is your tolerance goes up quickly and coming down is horrible so you would have to keep them constantly high.
So how much do you give to a 1200 pound cow?
After a month you would have to double the dosage.
They might go into a rage or try to have sex wit ...[text shortened]... will those drugs do to the meat?
I've seen junkies and they don't look like a healthy slab of meat.
Seems like the only real answer is to make laws forcing farms to treat animals more humanely.
A good lesson can be learned from what happened with the book The Jungle. It was about the meat packing industry and how dirty and brutal it was for the workers.
The public freaked out when it was released because...
...it made them concerned about the quality of the meat they were eating.
They didn't care about Jurgis and Ona.
@vivify saidMore room to move around...Free Range...etc. That would be a good start.
Good points here.
Seems like the only real answer is to make laws forcing farms to treat animals more humanely.
More than likely it will get worse for the farm animals as our population increases.
@vivify saidThis is called regulation and we've seen pushback from people who think corporations should be able to do whatever the hell they want. Pollute the planet, treat living things inhumanely, keep poor people and people with a different color skin from buying their product or from living in their apartments. They think they have a perfect right to do these things all in the name of "free market" authoritarianism. Others call it simple class-based oligarchy.
Good points here.
Seems like the only real answer is to make laws forcing farms to treat animals more humanely.
See Robert Michels' "Iron law of oligarchy". He had also stated that, "Historical evolution mocks all the prophylactic measures that have been adopted for the prevention of oligarchy."
Wikipedia says:
Michels stated that the official goal of representative democracy of eliminating elite rule was impossible, that representative democracy is a façade legitimizing the rule of a particular elite, and that elite rule, which he refers to as oligarchy, is inevitable. Later Michels migrated to Italy and joined Benito Mussolini's Fascist Party, as he believed this was the next legitimate step of modern societies. The thesis became popular once more in post-war America with the publication of Union Democracy: The Internal Politics of the International Typographical Union (1956) and during the red scare brought about by McCarthyism.
I'm sure posters like Wajoma couldn't agree more with this thesis.
The problem is that preventing corporate regulation is right down this alley. As such, the right-wing rank-and-file will prevent it at all cost, even against their own best interests, merely because their corporate overseers demand it.