@athousandyoung saidNo matter how much you hate "rich people", they are actually PEOPLE. And they have EQUAL rights.
"Except when it comes to protecting rich peoples' property and profits"
You are a well heeled democrat. You know who to hate, on cue.
@earl-of-trumps saidMuch too broad. Can you be more specific?
Sure. How about 5 words. "Less power to the government"
@handyandy saidJust a couple of quick examples of government abuse that - once they get their gloms onto you and you realized it is a mistake, it is too late to go back.
Much too broad. Can you be more specific?
1. Social security retirement fund. They Stole from it, BIG time. Take that right away.
2. Medical. They now control it, we can never take it back, meaning, they will abuse the system/people.
3. Military. Protects America, right? The US has a military presence in 150+
countries around the world. Seriously? Does this protect America or special
interest groups that kick back money to greedy pols?
I could go on.
@earl-of-trumps saidSo "Abolish Social Security and MediCare" would be your bumper sticker?
Just a couple of quick examples of government abuse that - once they get their gloms onto you and you realized it is a mistake, it is too late to go back.
1. Social security retirement fund. They Stole from it, BIG time. Take that right away.
2. Medical. They now control it, we can never take it back, meaning, they will abuse the system/people.
3. Military. Prote ...[text shortened]... protect America or special
interest groups that kick back money to greedy pols?
I could go on.
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat would be the role of government in your ideal libertarian state?
Just a couple of quick examples of government abuse that - once they get their gloms onto you and you realized it is a mistake, it is too late to go back.
1. Social security retirement fund. They Stole from it, BIG time. Take that right away.
2. Medical. They now control it, we can never take it back, meaning, they will abuse the system/people.
3. Military. Prote ...[text shortened]... protect America or special
interest groups that kick back money to greedy pols?
I could go on.
@cheesemaster saidThe drug laws need abolishing.
So I looked up Jo Jo 🙄
She would abolish drug laws and non violent offenders walk free.
OK...so you have no problems with me stealing all of your stuff while you're at work?
As long as it isn't violent right?
She is pro immigration!
Dude she's a democrat and so are you!
Destroy the profit margins on drugs. Tax them and spend that money on health care and reintigration.
Locking people up isn’t effective and it is very expensive. There are better ways of dealing with criminals which lower their chances of re-offending and still form punishment.
Look at Europe. We have much less crime than the US (well, except bicycles in the Netherlands for some reason) and very low prison populations. And a lot less violence...
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The Netherlands has 17 million people and is quite small so comparison with the USA isn't right.
But since you brought it up...
What happens to junkies that are thieves?
No jail over there for that?
A good percentage of junkies will do anything for more drugs.
So what other forms of punishment do you have over there?
I'm referring to the drug addicts who commit crimes.
Possession crimes need reform I agree.
@cheesemaster saidIn the Netherlands drug addicts are... wait for it... addicts... and that’s a health issue.
The Netherlands has 17 million people and is quite small so comparison with the USA isn't right.
But since you brought it up...
What happens to junkies that are thieves?
No jail over there for that?
A good percentage of junkies will do anything for more drugs.
So what other forms of punishment do you have over there?
I'm referring to the drug addicts who commit crimes.
Possession crimes need reform I agree.
So, drug addicts get help to try to kick the habit. Reintegration. Things like that.
Punishments in the Netherlands aren’t too strict.
Locking junkies up doesn’t help them or the people who were stolen from. And fines don’t work (the Dutch have a saying: you can’t pluck a bald chicken).
So, punishments are generally along the lines of community work, forced labour (don’t think chaingangs, but think clearing garbage in public parks, etc.).
Then if the drug addict gets clean, they’ll sometimes be asked to appologise.
But if they get clean, they’ll be offered employment to rehabilitate. Try to change their environment so they have less chance of reoffending, etc.
Obviously, if they commit murder or something like that, then they will get prison time.
It’s not very common here.
And heroin (opioid) addiction has been on the decline since the 1980’s.
@no1marauder saidnot hardly. not right away. a lot of preparation and planning todo that
So "Abolish Social Security and MediCare" would be your bumper sticker?
@shavixmir
So being a thief and blaming drugs when you get caught is an easy way to beat the system over there?
I'm on my way 🤗
@no1marauder saidWhat I read was you pay into your own social security like a savings account and you can take it back if you want 🤔
So "Abolish Social Security and MediCare" would be your bumper sticker?
That would stop the bums from getting social security when they never paid I guess.
I'm probably wrong.
@handyandy saidRun the military, the court system, the prison system, the roads and infrastructure,
What would be the role of government in your ideal libertarian state?
and not much more than that.
Much of what we do now in social welfare would be done with voluntary benevolent organizations like religious groups, groups like the rotary club etc.
Tell me, do you like living in a country that has a military presence in 150 countries? They've been screwing the people in this country for decades.
It's not a bad idea to have a government run retirement system.
The real problem is, putting the power to run it in the hands of corrupt people that
are above the law!! They will always screw you as long as they have absolute
power so why give them more power
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@cheesemaster saidYou can tell if someone’s using addictive drugs, you know.
@shavixmir
So being a thief and blaming drugs when you get caught is an easy way to beat the system over there?
I'm on my way 🤗
And the mere idea that you think of it as an excuse says a lot about you.
Do you think they are thieves? Or do you think that stealing is a consequence of their addiction?
If someone comes into your house to rape your wife, are you justified in killing them?
So: is it murder and you should get life imprisonment? Or is the murder you committed the consequence of another problem you had to solve?
And should that have an effect on how you are treated?
I don't think a junkie commiting crimes because he needs "to solve the problem of his next fix" can be compared to self defense.
It seems like the world is giving bad people too many excuses for their actions.
People get high because they like it.
Now for a more important topic...
Do they have midgets in the red light district? 😏