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    17 May '17 14:112 edits
    I may as well get on the band wagon here.

    The GOP has become a party that promises to do such things as control the border, reduce the size and scope of government and reduce spending. In reality, they are only there to promote government overseas and strengthen the backbone of politicians, which is corporate America who funds them.

    By in large they are just a whole big bunch of liars.

    At least Dims can be proud of what they stand for, which is uncontrolled immigration, massive spending, and increasing the size and scope of government every chance they get.

    The swamp is now a septic tank.
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    17 May '17 15:022 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    I may as well get on the band wagon here.

    The GOP has become a party that promises to do such things as control the border, reduce the size and scope of government and reduce spending. In reality, they are only there to promote government overseas and strengthen the backbone of politicians, which is corporate America who funds them.

    By in large they ar ...[text shortened]... asing the size and scope of government every chance they get.

    The swamp is now a septic tank.
    "By in large"

    What in the hell does this even mean?

    You do know it's "by AND large", right?

    From "The Phrase Finder":
    www.phrases.org.uk

    To get a sense of the original meaning of the phrase we need to understand the nautical terms 'by' and 'large'. 'Large' is easier, so we'll start there. When the wind is blowing from some compass point behind a ship's direction of travel then it is said to be 'large'. Sailors have used this term for centuries; for example, this piece from Richard Hakluyt's The Principall Navigations, Voiages, and Discoveries of the English Nation, 1591:

    "When the wind came larger we waied anchor and set saile."

    When the wind is in that favourable 'large' direction the largest square sails may be set and the ship is able to travel in whatever downwind direction the captain sees fit. (By the way, this is the same meaning as meant in the phrase "living large". -- Suzi)

    'By' is a rather more difficult concept for landlubbers like me. In simplified terms it means 'in the general direction of'. Sailors would say that to be 'by the wind' is to face into the wind or within six compass points of it.

    The earliest known reference to 'by and large' in print is from Samuel Sturmy, in The Mariners Magazine, 1669:

    "Thus you see the ship handled in fair weather and foul, by and learge."

    To sail 'by and large' required the ability to sail not only as earlier square-rigged ships could do, that is, downwind, but also against the wind. At first sight, and for many non-sailors I'm sure second and third sight too, it seems impossible that a sailing ship could progress against the wind. They can though. The physics behind this is better left to others. Suffice it to say that it involves the use of triangular sails, which act like aeroplane wings and provide a force that drags the ship sideways against the wind; by this technique and by careful angling of the rudder the ship can make progress towards the wind.

    The 19th century windjammers like Cutty Sark were able to maintain progress 'by and large' even in bad wind conditions by the use of many such aerodynamic triangular sails and large crews of able seamen.

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    Anyways, this was far more interesting than whatever you were saying.
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    17 May '17 17:37
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    [b]"By in large"

    What in the hell does this even mean?

    You do know it's "by AND large", right?

    From "The Phrase Finder":
    www.phrases.org.uk

    To get a sense of the original meaning of the phrase we need to understand the nautical terms 'by' and 'large'. 'Large' is easier, so we'll start there. When the wind is blowing from some compass point ...[text shortened]... -----------------------

    Anyways, this was far more interesting than whatever you were saying.[/b]
    Well I reckon impeaching him would be better than what insiders did to JFK.

    Write and Executive Order 1110 to do away with the Fed and all kinds of bad things can happen, JFK was too well liked to impeach.
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    17 May '17 18:21
    Originally posted by whodey
    By in large they are just a whole big bunch of liars.

    At least Dims can be proud of what they stand for, which is uncontrolled immigration, massive spending, and increasing the size and scope of government every chance they get.
    You are clearly part of the GOP.
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    18 May '17 02:29
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You are clearly part of the GOP.
    The truth is even worse. He claims to be a Libertarian, which is basically the far-right unapologetic bastards of the GOP.
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    18 May '17 02:431 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne to Twhitehead
    The truth is even worse. He claims to be a Libertarian, which is basically the far-right unapologetic bastards of the GOP.
    Not all 'libertarians' are right-wing (let alone like Whodey).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

    "In its classical usage, left-libertarianism is a synonym for anti-authoritarian varieties of left-wing politics:
    libertarian socialism and either anarchism in general or social anarchism in particular."
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    19 May '17 10:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    I may as well get on the band wagon here.

    The GOP has become a party that promises to do such things as control the border, reduce the size and scope of government and reduce spending. In reality, they are only there to promote government overseas and strengthen the backbone of politicians, which is corporate America who funds them.

    By in large they ar ...[text shortened]... asing the size and scope of government every chance they get.

    The swamp is now a septic tank.
    Whodey...you are the classic Trumpster. You hate everyone. It's always someone else that's at fault, isn't it? The Media, the Liberals, the RINO'S in the GOP, and of course the judges. That doesn't leave much, now does it? Has it ever occurred to you that many of Trump's wounds maybe self inflicted?? 😲😲😲
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    19 May '17 10:41
    Originally posted by mchill
    Whodey...you are the classic Trumpster. You hate everyone. It's always someone else that's at fault, isn't it? The Media, the Liberals, the RINO'S in the GOP, and of course the judges. That doesn't leave much, now does it? Has it ever occurred to you that many of Trump's wounds maybe self inflicted?? 😲😲😲
    WHAT? A narcisstic sociopath with a short attention span who never reads books is the cause of his OWN problems? Geeze, what a shockerπŸ™‚
  9. SubscriberSuzianne
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    19 May '17 23:30
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Not all 'libertarians' are right-wing (let alone like Whodey).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

    "In its classical usage, left-libertarianism is a synonym for anti-authoritarian varieties of left-wing politics:
    libertarian socialism and either anarchism in general or social anarchism in particular."
    However, "large-L" Libertarians are a political party in America, and as such, they ARE "far-right".
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    20 May '17 00:342 edits
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    However, "large-L" Libertarians are a political party in America, and as such, they ARE "far-right".
    Libertarians (in political philosophy) are diverse and not necessarily 'left' or 'right'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

    "Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,
    such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists,
    seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of
    their common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a
    barrier to freedom and liberty."

    Unlike most American writers here, I don't write exclusively on an American partisan political level.
    In many societies, Suzianne would be described as a 'Christian socialist'. In the USA, she may be called worse labels.
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    21 May '17 08:251 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Libertarians (in political philosophy) are diverse and not necessarily 'left' or 'right'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

    "Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,
    such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists,
    seek to abolish capitalism and ...[text shortened]... anne would be described as a 'Christian socialist'. In the USA, she may be called worse labels.
    Look, I'm talking about whodey here, not some small-L libertarian nobody from some other country. Everyone knows that European politics and American politics are very different, often with differing definitions for the same word used to describe differing parties.

    I am an American, writing about another American. He is a large-L Libertarian, presumably a member of the Libertarian Party, and in America, that means a far-right "no-regulations, pro-corporate" platform. I couldn't care less how this might affect a libertarian in Botswana, for example.

    While libertarianism may purport to contain aspects of social liberalism, the very fact that they want to eliminate welfare programs and privatize the education system belies this claim. At the same time, it can be considered fiscally neoliberal, or hyper-conservative. And what would be another word for hyper-conservative? Yes, far-right.

    And yeah, I can live with Christian socialist. And yes, I've been called far worse. But at least no one has called me a Libertarian.
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    21 May '17 16:321 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Whodey...you are the classic Trumpster. You hate everyone. It's always someone else that's at fault, isn't it? The Media, the Liberals, the RINO'S in the GOP, and of course the judges. That doesn't leave much, now does it? Has it ever occurred to you that many of Trump's wounds maybe self inflicted?? 😲😲😲
    Yes, it is the fault of the media, the liberals, the RINO's in the GOP, and the judges.

    America was not told some $20 trillion in the hole by any one party with declining standards of living and a polarized and crippled political system and wars waging around the world to boot. Why not hold those accountable? It's a frightening prospect for partisan shills like you I'm sure.

    No, it was a group effort that extended over a long period of time. Now gently pull hard on your neck and perhaps it will pop out of your arse and see day light for the first time in your life.
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    21 May '17 16:34
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Look, I'm talking about whodey here, not some small-L libertarian nobody from some other country. Everyone knows that European politics and American politics are very different, often with differing definitions for the same word used to describe differing parties.

    I am an American, writing about another American. He is a large-L Libertarian, presumably ...[text shortened]... ist[/i]. And yes, I've been called far worse. But at least no one has called me a Libertarian.
    You are correct Suzy. Libertarians want limited government, which is 100% antithetical to the socialist model you embrace that has government controlling every aspect of our lives.
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    21 May '17 17:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    I may as well get on the band wagon here.

    The GOP has become a party that promises to do such things as control the border, reduce the size and scope of government and reduce spending. In reality, they are only there to promote government overseas and strengthen the backbone of politicians, which is corporate America who funds them.

    By in large they ar ...[text shortened]... asing the size and scope of government every chance they get.

    The swamp is now a septic tank.
    I don't think Republicans lie as much as control the party.

    Ryan is who he is. The liar is Trump who campaigned for the wall but jumped in bed with the establishment. His daughter is liberal as well as her democrat husband. Trump surrounds himself with the exact opposite people as those who got him elected.

    Trump is the liar.
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    21 May '17 17:103 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I don't think Republicans lie as much as control the party.

    Ryan is who he is. The liar is Trump who campaigned for the wall but jumped in bed with the establishment. His daughter is liberal as well as her democrat husband. Trump surrounds himself with the exact opposite people as those who got him elected.

    Trump is the liar.
    They are all liars, except for Hillary cuz marauder showed me that she never lies. I reckon she was our one last hope.

    Thanks for that.

    Anyhew, if you want change support your local Article V movement, or continue to enjoy the circus into socialist tyranny as they continue promising free everything with no down side.
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