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25 Oct 11
Yep.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/intervention-pat-robertson-thinks-gop-is-too-extreme.php?ref=fpblg
Just so we’re clear, we’re talking about the guy who embraced Guatamala’s psychopathic former leader Rios Mont, who wiped out entire villages because they were run by Satan, as a force for democracy because he was “born again.” The guy who wants to ban Halloween nationally. Who blamed the 911 attacks on feminists. Who blamed Haiti’s earthquake woes on a national deal with Satan. Who warned the city of Orlando that flying gay and lesbian pride flags would result “earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor.” Who publicly prayed for the deaths of liberal Supreme Court Justices.
And my favorite quote of all:
“(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”
Now he’s too liberal for the GOP!
26 Oct 11
Originally posted by KunsooSeriously? Pat Robertson pragmatic? Maybe you should think about that one a little more. Has your anti-republicanism blinded you so much that you could really call Pat Robertson pragmatic?
More likely that Pat Robertson is pragmatic enough to realize that the Republicans are in jeopardy of losing everything next fall.
26 Oct 11
Originally posted by KunsooThat is spin to end all spin.
More likely that Pat Robertson is pragmatic enough to realize that the Republicans are in jeopardy of losing everything next fall.
First, the Republicans are poised to have a BIG year in 2012 if they don't mess it up and even if they have a bad year, they're exceedingly unlikely to lose net seats in the Senate and they don't have the Presidency to lose.
Second, Robertson doesn't give a rat's behind about being associated with a losing political movement. He cares only about expressing his beliefs and gaining publicity for them (that's not a criticism either). He's not running for anything. What possible need would he have to distance himself from the GOP even if he does think they will do poorly next year?
26 Oct 11
Originally posted by KunsooThe last time I saw Robertson was on some commercial by Al Gore warning us of the dangers of global warming.
Yep.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/intervention-pat-robertson-thinks-gop-is-too-extreme.php?ref=fpblg
Just so we’re clear, we’re talking about the guy who embraced Guatamala’s psychopathic former leader Rios Mont, who wiped out entire villages because they were run by Satan, as a force for democracy because he was “born again.” The guy who ...[text shortened]... actice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”
Now he’s too liberal for the GOP!
So how does it feel to have a crazy guy beginning to agree with ya?
26 Oct 11
Originally posted by KunsooWhat does it matter to a conservative if the GOP has the reigns of governemnt if they continue the deficit game and nanny state and wars abroad?
More likely that Pat Robertson is pragmatic enough to realize that the Republicans are in jeopardy of losing everything next fall.
I really don't understand.
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26 Oct 11
Originally posted by sh76We're reading different polls. Obama's approval ratings are down, but he does well against all of his opponents. Congressional Republicans are even lower, and they swept into power on a promise to create jobs. The Democrats are going to be pushing the question for each of them, "what did you do about jobs?" They're going to talk about how they helped to reduce the deficit, and I don't think that's going to play well now.
That is spin to end all spin.
First, the Republicans are poised to have a BIG year in 2012 if they don't mess it up and even if they have a bad year, they're exceedingly unlikely to lose net seats in the Senate and they don't have the Presidency to lose.
Second, Robertson doesn't give a rat's behind about being associated with a losing political movement. ...[text shortened]... ave to distance himself from the GOP even if he does think they will do poorly next year?
As for Robertson's pragmatism, it's like the old metaphor in an intra-movement debate among socialists. Some socialists advocated running third party and distancing themselves from liberals. Others argued that socialists can only be effective as a socialist frog in a liberal pond, or something like that. If the pond dries up, the socialist is, well, dried up too or something like that.
Robertson is on the right end of a broader political movement which has vested interests, and the tea party has that establishment worried because they are being locked into positions which will cost them the Republican majority and pretty much lose the center.
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26 Oct 11
Originally posted by whodeySo you're saying he's moved to the left? Other than a commercial on global warming, which fits into the end days theology, do you have any evidence of that?
The last time I saw Robertson was on some commercial by Al Gore warning us of the dangers of global warming.
So how does it feel to have a crazy guy beginning to agree with ya?
29 Oct 11
Originally posted by KunsooThe footage of Robertson I saw, it seem like he was worried that the Republican candidates are being forced to lock into far right positions that will alienate independents and swing voters in the general election.
Yep.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/intervention-pat-robertson-thinks-gop-is-too-extreme.php?ref=fpblg
Just so we’re clear, we’re talking about the guy who embraced Guatamala’s psychopathic former leader Rios Mont, who wiped out entire villages because they were run by Satan, as a force for democracy because he was “born again.” The guy who ...[text shortened]... actice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”
Now he’s too liberal for the GOP!
His point is not that he disagrees with those positions or that he thinks they are bad posititions. Indeed, he may agree with many of the far right ideological positions and be even further right.
Yet, he is worried the Republican rank-and-file are forcing the Republican candidates to so vocally and visibly stake out extreme far-rights stands that will jeopardize Republican success in the general election?
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31 Oct 11
Originally posted by moon1969As I said, he's what passes for a GOP pragmatist these days. He understands that they are in trouble, while much of the rest of the party is in denial.
The footage of Robertson I saw, it seem like he was worried that the Republican candidates are being forced to lock into far right positions that will alienate independents and swing voters in the general election.
His point is not that he disagrees with those positions or that he thinks they are bad posititions. Indeed, he may agree with many of the fa ...[text shortened]... e out extreme far-rights stands that will jeopardize Republican success in the general election?
02 Nov 11
Originally posted by KunsooYa, Robertson as the pub party realistic pragmatist does seem odd and ironic.
As I said, he's what passes for a GOP pragmatist these days. He understands that they are in trouble, while much of the rest of the party is in denial.
What is interesting about the Republican right-wingers is that feel their positions are so acceptable and make so much sense. And that the way to win the general election is to go to the right and stand for extreme ideological principles.
The Republicans seem in such disarray. Their only viable candidate (Romney) they do not like.
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03 Nov 11
Originally posted by moon1969They really miscalculated on the Iraq war question!
Ya, Robertson as the pub party realistic pragmatist does seem odd and ironic.
What is interesting about the Republican right-wingers is that feel their positions are so acceptable and make so much sense. And that the way to win the general election is to go to the right and stand for extreme ideological principles.
The Republicans seem in such disarray. Their only viable candidate (Romney) they do not like.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/picking-the-wrong-fight-republicans-could-fumble-on-iraq-gallup-data-shows.php?ref=fpb