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    04 Nov '16 11:23
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    The US is the bestest, free-est country on Earth. A political party is threatening to jail their political opponent if they win or paralyze the whole government if they lose.
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    04 Nov '16 11:432 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Which is a surprise for nobody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZFObKcjLOU


    The US is the bestest, free-est country on Earth. A political party is threatening to jail their political opponent if they win or paralyze the whole government if they lose.
    You have a party that had the scandal favoring Hillary over Bernie that causing Wasserman to resign. You then have the scandal of news reporters filtering debate questions to Hillary before the debate causing CNN to fire them. You have a party that nominated a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI and has a laundry list longer than Anthony Weiner porn sites, etc., etc., etc.

    You now have a party that has zero credibility. It's open season now.
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    04 Nov '16 11:44
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Which is a surprise for nobody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZFObKcjLOU


    The US is the bestest, free-est country on Earth. A political party is threatening to jail their political opponent if they win or paralyze the whole government if they lose.
    every day the bucket goes to the well, one day the bottom will drop out!
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    04 Nov '16 11:462 edits
    In the end, nothing will come of this other than a larger segment of society that distances themselves from the US federal government.

    All the GOP will do is sling poo and pout and hope it will win them elections. If it does win them elections, they will do nothing other than cave to Hillary cuz God forbid they be labeled obstructionists. We don't need obstructionists, we need more "yes" men. When HRC says jump, they need to ask how high?
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    04 Nov '16 11:541 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Which is a surprise for nobody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZFObKcjLOU


    The US is the bestest, free-est country on Earth. A political party is threatening to jail their political opponent if they win or paralyze the whole government if they lose.
    So the party with a record number of filibusters and a government shutdown in the same presidency, threatens obstruction if they don't get their way. Shocking.
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    04 Nov '16 12:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    In the end, nothing will come of this other than a larger segment of society that distances themselves from the US federal government.

    All the GOP will do is sling poo and pout and hope it will win them elections. If it does win them elections, they will do nothing other than cave to Hillary cuz God forbid they be labeled obstructionists. We don't need obstructionists, we need more "yes" men. When HRC says jump, they need to ask how high?
    Hey look, Whodey can't criticize the GOP without somehow making it about the Democrats. Yeah, good thing you're not partisan, Whodey.

    Idiots.

    Lemme get my bucket of popcorn and watch the fall of America.
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    04 Nov '16 12:192 edits
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Hey look, Whodey can't criticize the GOP without somehow making it about the Democrats. Yeah, good thing you're not partisan, Whodey.

    Idiots.

    Lemme get my bucket of popcorn and watch the fall of America.
    I feel sorry for the GOP. They must give lip service to conservatives even though they detest them.

    We should really only have one party, the official party of the US federal government, which is the democrat party. That is how it really is now but I think would be better to be out in the open instead of all this pretending.

    As it stands now, many in the GOP are even admitting they want to vote Hillary.
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    04 Nov '16 12:55
    Originally posted by whodey
    You have a party that had the scandal favoring Hillary over Bernie that causing Wasserman to resign. You then have the scandal of news reporters filtering debate questions to Hillary before the debate causing CNN to fire them. You have a party that nominated a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI and has a laundry list longer than Anthony Weiner ...[text shortened]... ites, etc., etc., etc.

    You now have a party that has zero credibility. It's open season now.
    yep, it's equivalent. one party tried to undermine a candidate for its own nomination and the other is undermining fundamental aspects of the entire country.

    just like more emails being found is equivalent to a candidate who is sexist, sexually assaults women, is investigated for fraud, doesn't understand why using nukes is a bad idea, wants to commit war crimes, filed for bankruptcy multiple times, stiffed his business partners, threatened to jail his political opponent, can't form a coherent sentence. the list could go on, but i wouldn't want to upset this delicate balance between the two.
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    04 Nov '16 13:32
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Which is a surprise for nobody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZFObKcjLOU


    The US is the bestest, free-est country on Earth. A political party is threatening to jail their political opponent if they win or paralyze the whole government if they lose.
    Partisan gridlock is nothing new in US politics.

    Through the 60s, 70s and 80s, the Democrats were such a divided party, as a coalition between northern moderates and southern Dixiecrats, that party discipline was very hard to enforce. Since the Dem coalition was a majority and so were needed to govern, crossing party lines was common and gridlock was less common.

    Then, the Republicans employed the southern strategy, figuring that they could earn a permanent majority by converting the south to the GOP. That they did, but in the process lost so many northern (and western) moderates that they've only managed to draw into roughly a tie in terms of popularity. But what it did was consolidate the parties onto parts of the political spectrum. This made party discipline much easier to enforce.

    Partisan obstruction of the other party got bad under Clinton, even worse under Bush and still worse under Obama. A Hillary win, given the trend and her unpopularity and the fact that most moderates have been unceremoniously booted out of the GOP, indicates that things might get still worse.

    Paradoxically, election of an unpredictable wild card like Trump who would certainly use his bully pulpit to humiliate members of Congress who foiled him and whose popularity and unpopularity crosses party lines (with much of the GOP establishment hating him but who does have some appeal among blue collar democrats) might have the effect of decreasing partisan gridlock by changing the erstwhile paradigm of partisanship as it exists now.
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    04 Nov '16 13:38
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Hey look, Whodey can't criticize the GOP without somehow making it about the Democrats. Yeah, good thing you're not partisan, Whodey.

    Idiots.

    Lemme get my bucket of popcorn and watch the fall of America.
    The US has already fallen behind many western countries in many quality-of-life indicators, but if you're looking for a fall as it's meant historically, then you're obsessed with irrelevant historical analogies. Thankfully, we no longer live in an era where empires are constantly vying for military supremacy. Worst comes to worst, we'll stop running the security for the rest of the world (or should I say best comes to best?).

    There are no Visigoths sharpening their blades in Toronto ready to storm New York and Washington.
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    04 Nov '16 13:47
    Originally posted by sh76
    Partisan gridlock is nothing new in US politics.

    Through the 60s, 70s and 80s, the Democrats were such a divided party, as a coalition between northern moderates and southern Dixiecrats, that party discipline was very hard to enforce. Since the Dem coalition was a majority and so were needed to govern, crossing party lines was common and gridlock was less c ...[text shortened]... ecreasing partisan gridlock by changing the erstwhile paradigm of partisanship as it exists now.
    Gridlock?

    They seem to expand government and grow the debt just fine together.
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    06 Nov '16 05:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    You have a party that had the scandal favoring Hillary over Bernie that causing Wasserman to resign. You then have the scandal of news reporters filtering debate questions to Hillary before the debate causing CNN to fire them. You have a party that nominated a candidate who is under investigation by the FBI and has a laundry list longer than Anthony Weiner ...[text shortened]... ites, etc., etc., etc.

    You now have a party that has zero credibility. It's open season now.
    About the only things Hillary has going for her that aligns her with the democrat public is the desire to kill babies, take away gun rights, and control the masses with public assistance programs. All the rest she has put on a false show, including womes rights, gay rights, and oh yes she is a racist to boot.
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