10 Sep 07
...the selling of indulgences.
It's just as I thought: All this talk about carbon offsets is a bunch of hooey to guilt us into "doing something," when the reality is that we're doing nothing to "save the environment." Somebody ought to tar and feather Algore and run him off the planet on a rail!
http://ksky.townhall.com/columnists/FrankPastore/2007/09/09/carbon_offsets__eco-extortion,_green_guilt,_and_the_selling_of_indulgences
10 Sep 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHave to agree with you D, a lot of this is just to make sure people feel better.
...the selling of indulgences.
It's just as I thought: All this talk about carbon offsets is a bunch of hooey to guilt us into "doing something," when the reality is that we're doing nothing to "save the environment." Somebody ought to tar and feather Algore and run him off the planet on a rail!
http://ksky.townhall.com/columnists/FrankPastore/2007/09/09/carbon_offsets__eco-extortion,_green_guilt,_and_the_selling_of_indulgences
A recent TV progame went and invesitaged the claims, the reality was that most carbon offseting is not working accordinly to the claims made.
Reality is that the larger developed countries (as well as China) need to receduce their pollution effects. Their is no point us changing "our light bulbs" if their is a lot of pollution being pumped into the air.
Bit like pissing in the wind me thinks
10 Sep 07
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhile I agree totally with you that there is a lot of hysterics in the issue of carbon offsets and Al Gorism, in fairness, the article you posted says itself...
...the selling of indulgences.
It's just as I thought: All this talk about carbon offsets is a bunch of hooey to guilt us into "doing something," when the reality is that we're doing nothing to "save the environment." Somebody ought to tar and feather Algore and run him off the planet on a rail!
http://ksky.townhall.com/columnists/FrankPastore/2007/09/09/carbon_offsets__eco-extortion,_green_guilt,_and_the_selling_of_indulgences
"liberals would rather make the effort to convince you how much they can empathize and “feel your pain,” than they would to actually do the hard work of implementing policies to fix the problems or reduce the threats."
Note the last line, where it clearly accepts that something needs to be done to "fix the problems or reduce the threats". While I accept fully that carbon credits are probably not an efficient way to do it, there simply isn't a better way to do it at present using a market system (which I think is the best way to approach the issue), unless (unlike the posted article) you wish to propose a viable alternative. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, While carbon credits may not be the perfect system, they are the best system we have.
Any company which abuses the system should be indeed punished severely, but just because a handful (only one was quoted in the article though) are abusing the system is not a damning indictment of the system itself no more than Microsofts abuse of competition legislation is a damning indictment of capitalism. The system is clearly being abused, but that is a failure in regulation rather than a failure in the system itself.
11 Sep 07
AGWers will like it because Lomborg seems to agree that man is effecting the climate. Freedom lovers will like it because all the regulation advocated by the control freaks amounts to next to nothing, possibly a slight delay at best.
The only people who wont like this message are the anti-human far left.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/62
11 Sep 07
Originally posted by agrysonYou know what needs to happen: Other countries need to become as wealthy as the United States so their citizens can afford to shore up their coastlines and afford air conditioners.
While I agree totally with you that there is a lot of hysterics in the issue of carbon offsets and Al Gorism, in fairness, the article you posted says itself...
"liberals would rather make the effort to convince you how much they can empathize and “feel your pain,” than they would to actually do the hard work of implementing policies to fix the problems o ...[text shortened]... ing abused, but that is a failure in regulation rather than a failure in the system itself.
11 Sep 07
Carbon offsets are a joke. Especially the companies that let you pay your 50 bux so they can plant trees etc. This only works if you plant the trees in a narrow band near the equator.
However, just because one proposed solution doesn't work that well, it doesn't mean that all other solutions are therefore also not going to work well.
All those companies out there saying they can increase your fuel mileage by just bolting on some device to your engine, or pouring some magic liquid into your gas tank etc and wow, presto! you get 50% better mileage are a joke.
The answer of course is to just build a better engine.
11 Sep 07
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThat sounds like putting off the inevitable to me rather than dealing with anything.
You know what needs to happen: Other countries need to become as wealthy as the United States so their citizens can afford to shore up their coastlines and afford air conditioners.
12 Sep 07
Originally posted by uzlessThe greenhouse effect is not a joke, thus carbon offsets are a step in the right direction.
Hey, i'm one of the environment guys here but you think carbon offsets arent' a joke?
Are companies irresponsibly using this as a marketing advantage and cashing in, thereby missing the point? Yes.
Education is the cure.
I met a guy that still burns his trash in the backyard. /sigh.
I saw a pregnant women outside smoking yesterday. /sigh.
13 Sep 07
Originally posted by mdhall"The greenhouse effect is not a joke". No, although it is amusing. But anthropogenic global warming/climate change is definitely a joke!
The greenhouse effect is not a joke, thus carbon offsets are a step in the right direction.
Are companies irresponsibly using this as a marketing advantage and cashing in, thereby missing the point? Yes.
Education is the cure.
I met a guy that still burns his trash in the backyard. /sigh.
I saw a pregnant women outside smoking yesterday. /sigh.
So is Al Gore, the IPCC and the UN... and of course the scientists doing "research" to help fix the "problem".
As for carbon-offsets being a joke, check this out:
http://www.spiked-online.com:80/index.php?/site/article/3788/
13 Sep 07
Originally posted by SpastiGovTo quote myself...
"The greenhouse effect is not a joke". No, although it is amusing. But anthropogenic global warming/climate change is definitely a joke!
So is Al Gore, the IPCC and the UN... and of course the scientists doing "research" to help fix the "problem".
As for carbon-offsets being a joke, check this out:
http://www.spiked-online.com:80/index.php?/site/article/3788/
"Any company which abuses the system should be indeed punished severely, but just because a handful (only one was quoted in the article though) are abusing the system is not a damning indictment of the system itself no more than Microsofts abuse of competition legislation is a damning indictment of capitalism. The system is clearly being abused, but that is a failure in regulation rather than a failure in the system itself."
As for the joke bit, how many threads will you need to say it in without any supporting evidence before you cop on? Every time I insist on a morsel of info backing you up, you dissappear for a few days and never visit the offending thread again.
13 Sep 07
Originally posted by mdhallI hear ya.
The greenhouse effect is not a joke, thus carbon offsets are a step in the right direction.
Are companies irresponsibly using this as a marketing advantage and cashing in, thereby missing the point? Yes.
Education is the cure.
I met a guy that still burns his trash in the backyard. /sigh.
I saw a pregnant women outside smoking yesterday. /sigh.
I know people who use fertilizer and pesticides on their yards... not to mention water it every few days. They also buy new cars at 4 to 5 year intervals.
13 Sep 07
Originally posted by lepomisYou know the funny thing about people using Pesticides and Chemicals on their grass is that not for one second do they stop to grasp the concept of where those chemicals go...
I hear ya.
I know people who use fertilizer and pesticides on their yards... not to mention water it every few days. They also buy new cars at 4 to 5 year intervals.
The water.
And if you ask an educated person about it they respond, "Well, that's what water treatment facilities are for... The EPA says the drinking water is OK".
And that's when you stop caring. Industry and Government are so ahead of the game in Marketing/Programming the public, people almost get angry when you suggest anything alternative to this utopia of ignorant bliss they exist in.
Home-Car-Work-Car-Home-TV-rinse-wash-repeat-Death
People live their entire lives within that program and never stop to think about much at all.
13 Sep 07
Originally posted by mdhallSpeaking of water, have you noticed that all these prescription drugs that are forced on people are now entering our lakes and streams. Possibly the ground water as well
You know the funny thing about people using Pesticides and Chemicals on their grass is that not for one second do they stop to grasp the concept of where those chemicals go...
The water.
And if you ask an educated person about it they respond, "Well, that's what water treatment facilities are for... The EPA says the drinking water is OK".
And that's whe ...[text shortened]... eople live their entire lives within that program and never stop to think about much at all.
I collect native fish and when we have a heavy rain... I will not change there water around that time. Something must get into the drinking water that kills them. Scary.