27 Jun 07
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In the Hamas Charter the following passage can be read:
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
Article Seven. The Universality of Hamas:
"..... the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim)."
I was wondering whether somebody can tell me what the last sentence means: "... This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree .... "
How should we interprete this sentence applied to the present situation ?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by ivanhoewell... I guess they think that the tree will not rat out the Jews hiding behind it... because the tree itself is Jewish.
In the Hamas Charter the following passage can be read:
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
Article Seven. The Universality of Hamas:
"..... the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fig ...[text shortened]... ish tree .... "
How should we interprete this sentence applied to the present situation ?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by ivanhoeAs "the Hour" approaches, Muslims and Jews, according to a related hadith, will be arrayed "east and west"--directions which, not surprisingly, were reinterpreted during the intifada as references to the east and west banks of the Jordan River. The river, of course, is both the natural and legal boundary separating Jordan (east) from Israel (west). By extension, "west" also refers to the Western world, particularly America, with which Israel is allied. As in all eschatological schemas, the Forces of Light will finally prevail in a final, determinative battle. Towards this end, all of creation will turn against the Jews, even the land itself. Their only ally will be the Gharqad Tree, a thorny bush traditionally believed to speak in oracles. Some members of the Islamic Movement in the West Bank and Gaza Strip aver that the esoteric tree currently surrounds Israeli settlements as a protective hedge of natural magic. Others claim that it grows outside the Jaffa Gate of Jerusalem's Old City, the site where Jesus, according to some hadith, will one day kill the Anti-Christ. Still others ascribe a more symbolic meaning to the tree. According to one reading popular during the intifada, the Gharqad Tree represents collaborators, those Palestinians accused of cooperating with the Israeli military authorities, indeed, all the forces of the world which conspire with the Jews against the Muslims.
In the Hamas Charter the following passage can be read:
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
Article Seven. The Universality of Hamas:
"..... the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fig ...[text shortened]... ish tree .... "
How should we interprete this sentence applied to the present situation ?
http://www.mille.org/people/steinbergoliver.html
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by shavixmirA JEWISH TREE??????
As "the Hour" approaches, Muslims and Jews, according to a related hadith, will be arrayed "east and west"--directions which, not surprisingly, were reinterpreted during the intifada as references to the east and west banks of the Jordan River. The river, of course, is both the natural and legal boundary separating Jordan (east) from Israel (west). By exte ...[text shortened]... re with the Jews against the Muslims.
http://www.mille.org/people/steinbergoliver.html
How is it not clear that Hamas has no legitimate right to anything other than immediate death?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by Merk"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
A JEWISH TREE??????
How is it not clear that Hamas has no legitimate right to anything other than immediate death?
- Golda Meir 1969-
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
- Golda Meir 1969 -
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
- Rabin 1979 -
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
- Prime minister 'Menachem Begin' 1982" -
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
- Menachem Begin -
"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
- Yitzhak Shamir 1990 -
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
- Yitzhak Shamir 1997 -
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
- Benjamin Netenjahu 1989 -
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
- Ariel Sharon 1998 -
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
- Ariel Sharon 2001 -
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And you wonder what inspires Hamas?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by shavixmirYou're comparing an organizations charter with qoutes from individuals.
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
- Golda Meir 1969-
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
- Golda Meir 1969 -
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be ...[text shortened]... -------------------------------
And you wonder what inspires Hamas?
Better would be to compare these quotes with quotes from Palestinians.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by shavixmirI hate to agree with Shav, but he is right.
Er...no.
The Israeli constitution is a work-in-progress since 1948 and has not been finalised. There is however a series of laws and Guidelines that regulate every aspect of life in Israel.
Im no expert on these documents but I will bet that there is no comparable statement like what the Hamas has in theirs.