Originally posted by pawnhandlerI don't think that's up for debate, especially this morning..uurgh!
What are we debating? Your behavior?
I guess, if I was putting forward a debate, I would at the same time
have to be admitting that my point of view is to some extent fallable.
Not a very good tactic for debate, wouldn't you agree?
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhy, they heckle us atheists all the time?
I'm looking forward to your next correspondence after you move on and heckle some Muslims who take offense at you "insulting Islam." Enjoy your head while you still have one.
There were a bunch of Christians in the street saying that we're
all evil and should be punished.
I merely pointed out to them that they have no right to judge me
and that good people don't need God.
I'm not setting out to attack Christians and I didn't, I was simply
defended atheists.
Just giving what I got.
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckWhy don't they have any right to judge you?
Why, they heckle us atheists all the time?
There were a bunch of Christians in the street saying that we're
all evil and should be punished.
I merely pointed out to them that they have no right to judge me
and that good people don't need God.
I'm not setting out to attack Christians and I didn't, I was simply
defended atheists.
Just giving what I got.
I'm judging you right now by your post. Reading it, I form a judgement of the author. I might or might not act on it, or share it with you, but there it is - it forms by itself, as it were.
You claim I have no right to do so?
And if I was near you and saw you doing something (e.g. debating atheism vs. Christianity), I might again form a judgment of you based on your actions. That's not right either?
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Originally posted by spruce112358Everybody has a right to form opinions of others and express them in
Why don't they have any right to judge you?
I'm judging you right now by your post. Reading it, I form a judgement of the author. I might or might not act on it, or share it with you, but there it is - it forms by itself, as it were.
You claim I have no right to do so?
And if I was near you and saw you doing something (e.g. debating atheism vs. ...[text shortened]... ianity), I might again form a judgment of you based on your actions. That's not right either?
the context of their own opinions. Indeed this is a necessary mechanism
in life and the subsequent questioning and re-evaluating of these
opinions is what allows us to grow.
Judgement on the other hand implies a finallity, it ceases to be debatable
and becomes fact.
Consider you are speaking to an overweight person the following would
be an opinion :
'I think you are fat, If I were you, I would worry about dying'
whereas judgement would be more like :
'You are Fat, you are going to die because you are fat'.
The former implies that the statement belongs to the speaker,
it is his/her opinion and, as such, is fallible and debatable.
The latter implies that the statement is absolute. It belongs to
some kind of mystical truth and, as such, is non-debatable.
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So, going back to your post, are you judging me, as a person right now?
or have you already judged me, as an author?
If both statements are to be true, you have nothing more to learn from
my writing, so how do you intend to finalise your judgement of me as
a person?
This is precisely why Christianity does not have the ability to adapt,
because by doing so it loses it's convictions and has to admit itself to
being just another set of opinions.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckAnd did Christ heckle atheists? As a matter of record, no he did not, rather, he only heckled those religious leaders who spoke for God and were not doing their job. Perhaps they should follow the example of the one they proport to follow, no?
Why, they heckle us atheists all the time?
There were a bunch of Christians in the street saying that we're
all evil and should be punished.
I merely pointed out to them that they have no right to judge me
and that good people don't need God.
I'm not setting out to attack Christians and I didn't, I was simply
defended atheists.
Just giving what I got.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckWhy do I not have the right to state mystical, non-debatable truths? -- leaving aside the issue of whether or not you agree with them.
Everybody has a right to form opinions of others and express them in
the context of their own opinions. Indeed this is a necessary mechanism
in life and the subsequent questioning and re-evaluating of these
opinions is what allows us to grow.
Judgement on the other hand implies a finallity, it ceases to be debatable
and becomes fact.
Consider you ...[text shortened]... ment is absolute. It belongs to
some kind of mystical truth and, as such, is non-debatable.